Hair Algae OUT OF CONTROL

himandher

Member
Okay.... Serious Problem. Our 135 gl. reef tank is out of control with green hair algae, it has taken over EVERYTHING. It even grew so bad that it grew in our overflow boxes and clogged them up. Now we need some suggestions. We have decreased our MH lighting time from 8 hrs to 6 hrs a day. Our Phosphate level is at .5 ppm, I know that it is supposed to be at 0, and I am trying to get it there. I put a phosphate magnet in and hopefully that will help.
Nitrates 30 ppm
Nitrites 0 ppm
alkalinity 180 ppm
PH 8.4
any suggestions on getting rid of it? We are vacuuming the glass, and doing a 30% water change. changing the filter sock daily. Any help would be appreciated. thanks.
 

jobob

Member
do a water change and keep the water in the bucket, the get a tooth brush and scrub it off in the bucket. then u mite wanna bring down the alk to about 105-125. and get the phosphate sponge. that should help. and for safety net get some macro algae, helps take the nutrients from the hair algae. so it wont grow any more.
 
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kpatrick

Guest
how much flow do you have?
I had hair algea issues then I added a couple moe power heads and got a larger pump -mag 9.5 - for my sump and the extra flow helped eliminate the hair algea. I have also had great look with Phosban before as well in getting rid of phosphates.
 

snipe

Active Member
Im currently fighting it also. I scurbed all of it off that I can see and turned my lights down to 4 hours. I have seen tremendose dieoff but there are still small patches that I see they get the toothbrush lol.
If you put macro algaes in the main tank would that cause a problem?
 

tthemadd1

Active Member
I have razor calurpa in my tank and it is pretty easy to trim back. Once I got a fuge I moved it all down. Sometimes the macro brushes some corals and I m not sure if that irritates the coral...
 

jobob

Member
marco algaes are good to use in a reef to fill the gaps between corals thats need room to grow. the only problem with marcos u need to trim them every couple weeks or so. they are really good at gettin rid of the excess nitrates. plus it gives natural food for tangs and other fish.
 

irishsalt

Member
Good Luck keeping your Phospates - Zero..IME it's not going to happen(more then likely). A low level of 0.1 is what exisits in Reefs in the ocean and can be accomplished with the addition of a Quality Media. SeaChem Phos guard works great IME and it's moderately priced. Tropic Marin works great also but it's expensive and that funky stuff *heats Up*> ONe always needs to gradually introduce any Media to their established tank.
Honestly, the only time I've ever had Problems with Hair Algea is when I bought a COral that had it all over the rock and I didn't clean it off.
Your Nitrates are right - the Edge of Doom...lol. You seriously need to do some waterchanges and I'd follow Jobob's advice to the T! Once you clean up what you have and take care of Phosphates and Nitrates.....You'll be keeping butt I bet.
Your ALgea is growing like crazy from you MH but a 6hour LIght schedule may be costly to your corals. I only run a light schedule less then 12 hours when it's absolutely necessary.
 

57chev

Member
HimandHer, Here's my speach I've posted a couple(few) of times on the actual only thing I will claim to be an expert on when it comes to reefs. I'm gonna give you my advise on the nasty hair algae curse. Not everone will agree with me on all of what I have to say but I can asure you I've had a reef up for over eight years + and I've been to hell and back with this stuff and I'll tell you what works, for sure, some of the time, part of the time, and non of the damn time. It is true that hair algae loves phosphates and silica, and ofcourse light, and eliminating or reducing these things will help curb it to a degree, but here's the thing a perfectly healthy reef with good water quality can grow hair algae, especially if your reef has ever had it before! Water changes are the quickest way to get your PO4 under control assuming your using RO water or a water source that has no PO4 in it. Here's the hard part and the part that always pisses me of when people pipe off and say it, that is, all you have to do is worry about water quality and get it right and the hair algae goes away. Not true! The hair algae that is in your tank stores enough nutrients within itself to grow at an alarming rate with perfect water readings! Dont be fooled just because the cheap Charlie test kits we all have read zero. Testing phosphates is fine, I do, but does it really matter? No matter what the test says you gotta problem. Its like a heart problem, once you have one, you dont cure it, you manage it! So, here's my 2 cents on how to get rid of it including all the blatently obvious overplayed things that are repeated over and over again. Bigger and longer established tanks are harder to treat than smaller ones for sure. It makes me laugh when I here someone whine about an algae problem with a fifty gallon tank, gimme a break, pour it out in the neighbors yard and start over.
1) Do water changes ofcourse, but rig yourself up a rigid length of clear tubing to your siphon hose to control and vacuum up all the loose algae and reef debris. Reef dust that collects in old dead corals like trumpets and torches and such seem to be the worst.
2) To really get a head start take some of the rocks out of the tank and dip them into a bucket of salt water and scrub the ever holy liven crap out of them with a toothbrush.
3) Cutting your light time, and reducing your feedings are certainly helpful at least until you get it under control.
4) Get or make sure your skimmer is running properly! And replace your prefilter media constantly.
5) When selecting a clean-up crew, be careful not to over do it at first! Its great to have a snail for every gallon like some people say, and all the other cute little criters, and I dont totally disagree, but if you put a lot them in your tank and some die off, (and they always do) you've now created more fuel for your algae. Big time!
6) Dump in some long spiny urchins, you cant kill hardly em, and they really mow! They can tip things over though, so watch em! Their a little slow, but over all these are my favorite, and did I mention their tougher than heck!
7) The phos-ban products do help, but their expensive and with all the other factors they alone wont eliminate your algae only help manage it after you've gottin rid of a lot of it. I like the slower acting stuff for a long term preventative measure. And taking the cost of the stuff into consideration, water changes are cheaper for sure.
8) UV stearlization is good for some things, but worthless for hair algae.
9) Adding fish that eat algae is more preventative than a cure, and if you have a real problem it will only help minimally. Anytime you can just add a fish or two and eliminate your algae, you dont have a real problem. Trust me!
10) Increasing reef circulation will help by keeping the reef dust kicked up so it easier for the filters to get it out of your tank. It is kinda wierd though the rivers by my home run real fast, and they grow aglae like crazy.
11) Do the fuge thing if you can, or add some of the phosphate consuming macro's to your tank
The bottom line on all this is to get it under control you have to get a little drastic, or you wont get it under control. From that point on its prevention. Hope this helps.
 

himandher

Member
Thanks 57.... You had a lot of helpful information.
I have heard a lot of what you said before, and I agree with it. The water conditions I know had to be pretty good in order for it to be thriving. All of our corals are doing great, at least the ones that the hair algae hasnt covered, and we have some corals that some say are difficult to keep, Like elegance coral (which is huge!) Gonipora, and pink carnation corals, as well as many others that are just thriving.
We took the tank apart tonite. We took each piece of live rock out and scrubbed it down, we changed the flow, we put a "Y" coming from the filter back into the water, and added a double headed spray bar off each section giving us now 4 bars pushing clean water back into the tank instead of the 2 we had. So as far as flow goes we now have the 4 bars, and 2 powerheads on each end, the tank is now flowing much more than before, although our Xenia doesnt seem to enjoy the strong flow we now have.
In the bucket that we scrubbed the live rock we added some product called "stop hair algae" by Chem-marin. We also added a phosphate magnent to the sump. We had been treating it with phosban, but never reached a level lower than .5.
We did a 40 gallon water change. We dont use RO water, we buy water from our LFS, and they have water trucked in from the ocean weekly, so I dont think we could get any better quality water. (A benefit of living in So. California) Our protein skimmer works really well. After we put the hood back on, and turned the lights on just scrubbing the rocks made a huge difference. It took awhile for the water to clear up, but it already looks so much better. And WOW at all the coraline that was growing under the hair algae. So now we just sit back and see I suppose. Thanks so much for all your input, I greatly appreciate it. :)
 

57chev

Member
You have a thriving elegence? Now that is an acomplishment in itself for sure! Your entire set-up sounds real cool :yes:
 

himandher

Member
YES!!! we get so many compliments on our elegance, it truly is beautiful. We have had it almost a year and it has almost doubled in size. we left it on the sandy bottom and we target feed it brine shrimp about once a month, we have also fed it pieces of squid and it eats it :notsure: . We think It eats snails too... we have to pick it up and move it everyonce in awhile because it will have 5 or 6 snail shells under it too. So who knows. We cant keep fish alive, but our friend has a tank the same size and tons of fish but he cant keep corals alive, and our water readings are the same, and we get our water from the same place. Who knows !!!!
 
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red79

Guest
I wish someone would have told me all of that before I screwed up my tank. My LFS told me to use marycyn and it got rid of the hair algae but now I can't get rid of the Marycyn. Haven't seen my fish in wks unless they press up against the glass.
 

fishfreek

Active Member
Red79...You dosed marycyn to rid your tank of hair algae, and it worked??? I have heard of this for cayno but not green hair algae.
 

rainbow aq

Member
Do you use tap water? If so theres a big reason.
Is your tank buy a window?
How long do u keep your lights on?
How often do you do water changes?
Answers theese questions and i will be able to direct you better!
Rainbow AQ, please stop advertsing
 

jobob

Member
i used chemi-pure to get rid of my maracyn, i used it for red slime algae. the u have to use biozyme to start ur bio filter the maracyn killed.
 

himandher

Member
jobob... we buy fish from about 4 different stores, so I dont know what is wrong, we also ordered fish from swf.com and they died too, especially any kind of tang, We just cant keep them for some reason. Now i have a goby that I have had for almost 2 years. So i dont know what the deal is
 
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red79

Guest
Thanks for the info jobob. Do u remember how long it took to get rid of the marycyn? I kinda need to get a fish out of my tank and I cant see to do it. I was told a green wrass was coral safe and now that its in there I am finding out other wise. Thanks again.
 
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