hair algae problem

rknapp

Member
I've had a 90gal reef tank for 9 years. About 2 years ago I got green hair algae and it has been a real pain. My phosphates are 0 and nitrates 0 but the dare stuff keeps growing. I pick it off the rocks when it's long enough. I only run the lights for 7 hours. Could someone please help me with a cure? I don't overfeed, only frozen and I wash it first. I heard "algae fix marine" would kill it but I don't like to add chems. Anyone have any success with it without problems? Thanks for the help.
 

pinstripe

Member
I currently have the same problem with a 5 year old tank....see the thread "Can't explain slow coral die-off"....I think my problem is with my canister, but I have high nitrates. However, some of the posts in that thread may help you.
 

rknapp

Member
Thanks, I'll check it out. Sorry for you're having problems with the corals. Perhaps some extra water changes would help by lowering the nitrates. I read a study that said 10%/month was enough. They saw no evidence that a larger water change or higher frequency made any difference. I do 10% monthly.
 

pinstripe

Member
Well I am sort of having a problem, but this is your thread. I'll be following it to see how you fix it. I'm sure the solution is here among the members!
 

snakeblitz33

Well-Known Member
What kind of water do you use for top off water? What kind of freshwater do you use to mix salt in?
How much do you feed, exactly? What kind of fish do you have? Explain your filtration system to us? How old are your light bulbs? How much internal flow do you have in your tank, not including your return pump, skimmer pump, filter pumps etc. Just flow from your powerheads, and how are they positioned?
You will read zero for nitrates and phosphates in your system because the hair algae has sucked it all up into it's tissues. I highly suggest that you use an algae scrubber to rid your tank of it. I think you could also look into getting your magnesium level up with Kent Marine Tech-M. If you can steadily keep your magnesium elevated at 1600ppm for two weeks or more, you will see the algae disappear. However, once it's gone, the nitrate and phosphate will leach back into your system, so you need to be prepared to do a large water change and get your skimmer going very efficiently. You can also use that algae scrubber on your system to keep algae growing on the screen, rather then your tank, when magnesium levels come down from 1600ppm to 1400ppm, the algae will start growing again.
Here's a few basic husbandry steps:
1. Lower your lights to 1/4th of the time that you usually have them on. Put your lights on a timer, and keep the schedule for two weeks or more until the problem dissipates.
2. Feed less, rinse your food before feeding, and target feed your corals when possible.
3. Pick it out of your tank with your fingers every time you do a water change.
4. Only use RO/DI water with a TDS reading of 0 for top offs
5. Only use RO/DI water to mix your salt in for water changes.
6. Reduce phosphates and nitrates by protein skimming and the use of macroalgaes
7. Wash your bioballs occasionally in old saltwater
8. Replace your filter media more often
9. Run carbon in the system
10. Buy and use a phosphate reactor
11. Buy a clean up crew that will eat your hair algae. Limpets, lettuce nudibranchs, Mexican turbo's, lawnmower blennies all do a great job ridding your tank of algae.
12. Do scheduled water changes
13. Replace your lights when they are due to be changed, before their color spectrum shifts.
There are a few other things, but you get the general jist of it. All it takes is some hard work, money, and dedication to the hobby.
 

snakeblitz33

Well-Known Member
One note about using Kent Tech-M is that it is/has been found detrimental to invertebrates. Some people have had snail deaths, although a direct link can not be established.
I have had the most success using an algae scrubber, decreasing lighting in the display tank from 8 hours to three hours for three weeks, and increasing the amount of water flow in the tank to be the best one two punch when dealing with hair algae in a system. I hate using chemical medias like GFO and AlgaeFix in any system - so I take a more natural approach with the algae scrubber. You won't be able to get rid of the hair algae until it dies or gets eaten in your tank, and the nitrate and phosphate from the death is then taken up into the tissues of algae, or gets skimmed out, or is removed by water changes.
You have to do what you feel is best for your tank, and if that means using GFO and algae fix for the quick fix is right for you, then go ahead. But, it's temporary.
 

rknapp

Member
Thanks so much for your help and time. You've been very helpful. Here's some answers to your questions:
Water- from dehumidifier, checks out 0 nitrates & phosphates. A chemist told me it's stripped of everything and good. 10% water change 1x/month
Food-2 cube frozen shrimp, rinsed first for 1 gobie, 1 clown, 1 yellow tank and 1 royal dottieback all 7yr olds.
Filter-Sump with bioballs, never rinsed but will. 1 cup Kent carbon for 1wk/month.
Bulbs-7months
Powerheads-2 Koralia 750gph on bottom and 2-aquaclear 270gph on top.
Skimmer-haven't used in a few years but if it's that important I'll fix it and start it up
If I shorten lighting time to 1/4 will my corals be alright?
Can you tell me what an algae scrubber is?
Again thank you very much.
 

snakeblitz33

Well-Known Member
Alright, so...
I would stop using the water from the dehumidifier TEMPORARILY for the next few months and see if that helps any. Start using RO/DI water for the time being and see if it makes any difference.
You can cut your lights down to a little less than 5 hours a day with corals, for two weeks, but then you have to slowly kick it back up an hour a day till you get back up to 8 hours a day. Rinse your bioballs at least once a month in old saltwater when you do your water changes. That will help out a lot. You wouldn't believe how much gunk builds up in them over time.
Your flow rate looks pretty good for a 90g. Your lights aren't really that old, but in another 5 months, I suggest changing them. If they are PC lights, you should have replaced them at the 6 month mark.
There's a lot of information out there about algae scrubbers. You just have to do a search. Algae scrubbers use hair algae grown on a roughed up plastic screen to remove nitrate, phosphate, heavy metals, copper, etc. from the tank, and adds O2, elevates magnesium, and a couple other things. It creates the perfect condition for algae to grow on the screen, rather then in your tank. It will grow faster and take care of your problem algae in your display quicker if you pull as much algae from your tank as you can.
I also highly suggest to get your skimmer up and running again. It will start pulling gunk out of your water column that fuels algal growth. You can use a protein skimmer in conjunction with an algae scrubber.
 

rknapp

Member
Thanks. I'll start doing all those things. By the way I have 2 175w mh and 2 96w pc lights on the tank. Your help is greatly appreciated. I'll also look into the algae scrubber.
 
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