Help-inverts And Fish Dieing!!!!!!!!!!!!

[berth50]

Recently I've had some deaths in my tank. I have lost seven Turbo Snails, Three Emerals Crabs ( maybe more , I haven't seen the other three in awhile.) , a long tenacle Anemone, and Today when I came home from work my Queen Angel is dieing. What the hell is going on. My tank is 180 gallon, I have 100 lbs. of live rock , some zooanthids, two clown fish, three blue green chromis, an Emperor Angel, a Blue Tang, a Royal Grama, a Sea Urchin, Coral banded Shrimp, Arrow Crab, Yellow Tang , sand sifting Starfish, and Two Sea Cucumbers and some Hermit Crabs. I also have a Sand sifting Goby( Not sure of it's name) I don't understand because my levels are as follows:
Ph- 8.2
Phosphates-0
Ammonia-0
Nitrites-0
Nitrates-0
Salinity- 1.025
Temp- 82-83.5
Any info. on why this might be happening would be greatly appreciated. I also have a protein skimmer and various Carbon filtration through my sump. In addition I have two other Carbon filters: One Bio-wheel and a magnum 350. Thanks in advance for any info.
M. Scott Hofferberth :help:

 

[darth tang]

When the anemone died it may have poisoned your tank, causing your latest string of deaths. What died first and in what order, and over how much time?

 

[debbie]

I only have a "Nano" tank but I have sure learned alot since my first crash in this tank. What sent my tank into a tizzy was the tube anemone I had in there and feeding the liquid microvert. I would mostly say it was the slowly dying tube anemone. The top looked great and by the time the damage was done or being done the top then looked a bit bad. The smell was just horrible and all my crushed coral was thrown out. I lost all my snails, crabs, feather dusters but thankfully no fish.
So what Darth Tang said about your anemone dying would sound right to me. I sure hope you figure out what it is that cause this so you don't loose anymore things.
Good luck.....Deb

 

[beth]

What and how often are you feeding your tank? And what is your lighting?

 

[berth50]

Originally Posted by Darth Tang
When the anemone died it may have poisoned your tank, causing your latest string of deaths. What died first and in what order, and over how much time?
My Anemone died last Tuesday , my first Turbo snail died Sunday before that Tuesday. After my Anemone I lost three Emerald Crabs, and six more Turbo snails over the next week and a half. And Today I lost my Queen Angel. This past Sunday I lost a twin spot Goby. All other fish and inverts seem to be doing fine ( Knock on Wood )

 

[berth50]

Originally Posted by Debbie
I only have a "Nano" tank but I have sure learned alot since my first crash in this tank. What sent my tank into a tizzy was the tube anemone I had in there and feeding the liquid microvert. I would mostly say it was the slowly dying tube anemone. The top looked great and by the time the damage was done or being done the top then looked a bit bad. The smell was just horrible and all my crushed coral was thrown out. I lost all my snails, crabs, feather dusters but thankfully no fish.
So what Darth Tang said about your anemone dying would sound right to me. I sure hope you figure out what it is that cause this so you don't loose anymore things.
Good luck.....Deb
Thanks Deb. I noticed that when my long tenacle anemone died the top looked twisted and disfigured. It didn't look good at all. Luckily I got it out before it could get to stinking. My friend had that happen and he said that the smell is down right awful. Thanks for your help and for hoping I figure out what is the cause. I sure hope I do. After you lost all your inverts , how long did you wait until you got more? Again thanks.
M. Scott Hofferberth :jumping:

 

[berth50]

Originally Posted by Beth
What and how often are you feeding your tank? And what is your lighting?
I feed some spectra pellets, angel frozen sponge rations and brine shrimp. I feed about two times a day. My lighting is Two T-5 Tek light hoods , eight bulbs a piece. 39 watts a bulb and I run them 6 and a half hours a day. I have four blue and four white lights in each. I use Aqua medic.

 

[carriec93]

This may seem like a silly question, but...... Is there any possible way that some copper got into your system? Did you add any fish or anything lately and add some water they were in, even a little? Sounds like most of what you lost early on were inverts.... Between the snail and the anemone dying - those could have polluted the tank, then decline of the delicate angel as a result? Just a possibility. I know you said your other inverts are OK, but perhaps it was introduced near where they were in the tank, and then it was skimmed/diluted. Either way, I would do a good size water change, obviously, for sure! Also, this may be one of those "urban legends", but another such contamination issue I have heard of devastating a tank, even if only in the smallest amount, is Windex (while cleaning the glass perhaps???) Maybe neither of those scenarios apply to you, but I figured I'd mention them. Good luck!

 

[debbie]

Berth50, sorry to hear about your loss today. It down right stinks when fish keep on dying. Unfortunatley I am going through this with a freshwater aquarium right now. I just don't know what they heck is going on when all test come out fine. I do think though I might have had a power surge in a heater that was sending them crazy, when I replaced the heater all seems fine now except I lost a Pearl Gourami the otherday that was new to the tank. But everything else looks good.
As for the replacement of the snails and crabs. Well.....I will not get anymore again. We pay dearly for them here and I am so tired of replacing them. So my tank cleaners are my Chocolate Chip starfish and my Purple Urchin. I just love these two and they have kept me in this hobby when I was ready to fold it up for good. I enjoy watching them and feeding them too. So I cannot have snails or crabs as Mr. Chippy will make a nice meal out of them and that caviar is just to expensive...

The crabs were quite entertaining at times but no more for me. I sure hope that you find out what your problem is though, it is hard loosing fish.
Deb

 

[sinner's girl]

when fish die and test come out fine...retest. Have the lfs test your water. Test get can be wrong if they are old or got wet or something.
Though my water is good, and I'm slowly losing inverts...which I feed, so I know it's not that. Though I'm glad the arrow died I liked the others. The think is, the CBS is still alive, he should go first if the water was bad.
Anyway, can't really help expect to suggest you retest. Also, did you have enough stuff for the inverts to eat? algea and such? Just thinking maybe they didn't have enough food.

If she got windex in tht tank, ammonia should show up...or I think it would.
Hope you figure it out.

 

[berth50]

Originally Posted by carriec93
This may seem like a silly question, but...... Is there any possible way that some copper got into your system? Did you add any fish or anything lately and add some water they were in, even a little? Sounds like most of what you lost early on were inverts.... Between the snail and the anemone dying - those could have polluted the tank, then decline of the delicate angel as a result? Just a possibility. I know you said your other inverts are OK, but perhaps it was introduced near where they were in the tank, and then it was skimmed/diluted. Either way, I would do a good size water change, obviously, for sure! Also, this may be one of those "urban legends", but another such contamination issue I have heard of devastating a tank, even if only in the smallest amount, is Windex (while cleaning the glass perhaps???) Maybe neither of those scenarios apply to you, but I figured I'd mention them. Good luck!
I don't believe that copper got into my system. Although one of the guys from my LFS asked the same question. Some water gets in when I add fish but I have had no problems in the past. And now that you mention it the first snail to die was right next to the Dieing Anemone. I did a water change and so far so good. But only time will tell. I didn't get windex in the tank because I only use Coralife glass cleaner on my glass. My Buddy warned me of the windex dangers. Thanks for all your infput and help. Hopefully the worst is over.
M. Scott Hofferberth

 

[berth50]

Originally Posted by Debbie
Berth50, sorry to hear about your loss today. It down right stinks when fish keep on dying. Unfortunatley I am going through this with a freshwater aquarium right now. I just don't know what they heck is going on when all test come out fine. I do think though I might have had a power surge in a heater that was sending them crazy, when I replaced the heater all seems fine now except I lost a Pearl Gourami the otherday that was new to the tank. But everything else looks good.
As for the replacement of the snails and crabs. Well.....I will not get anymore again. We pay dearly for them here and I am so tired of replacing them. So my tank cleaners are my Chocolate Chip starfish and my Purple Urchin. I just love these two and they have kept me in this hobby when I was ready to fold it up for good. I enjoy watching them and feeding them too. So I cannot have snails or crabs as Mr. Chippy will make a nice meal out of them and that caviar is just to expensive...

The crabs were quite entertaining at times but no more for me. I sure hope that you find out what your problem is though, it is hard loosing fish.
Deb
Hey Deb. Thanks for your concern. I too love the urchins. I have a long spiked Urchin. It is beautiful. All black with bands around some of its spikes and five white spots connected with neon blue lines. I also have two sand sifting Star fish which I too love. I was wondering what you fed your Urchin and Star Fish. My Urchin has done well feeding on hair algae and Coraline algae. Hope all goes well with your freshwater and things continue to do well in your nano tank. Again Thanks.
M. Scott Hofferberth

 

[berth50]

Originally Posted by Sinner's Girl
when fish die and test come out fine...retest. Have the lfs test your water. Test get can be wrong if they are old or got wet or something.
Though my water is good, and I'm slowly losing inverts...which I feed, so I know it's not that. Though I'm glad the arrow died I liked the others. The think is, the CBS is still alive, he should go first if the water was bad.
Anyway, can't really help expect to suggest you retest. Also, did you have enough stuff for the inverts to eat? algea and such? Just thinking maybe they didn't have enough food.

If she got windex in tht tank, ammonia should show up...or I think it would.
Hope you figure it out.
NO Windex got in my tank. I only use Coralife Glas cleaner. I too have a CBS and it is doing well along with the Arrow Crab. I do think that the inverts might have been underfed because I cleaned a whole bunch of Algae out of the sand a few weeks bach because it was becoming an eye soar. I did retest and all things tests were good. I just bought the test kit and nothing got wet. Thanks for your help and I too hope I figure it out.
M. Scott Hofferberth

 

[debbie]

Berth50, Hi my starfish I spot feed it shrimp, scallops, algae wafers, shrimp pellets, crab. I don't know anything about the sandsifting starfish or if it can be spot fed. Better check on that so you don't add anything that will rot your tank as you have enough headache right now.
The urchin I give algae wafers to it and it motors around the tank scraping the algae off the rocks etc.
As for the nano, well..... the nano just got upgraded today. I took the plunge and turned my 25 gal freshwater tank into a marine tank. What a chore but it worked out very well. Trying to do this so I don't start a cycle was the challenge but hopefully it all worked.. :joy:
Deb

 

[vi3tb0i]

what lighting you have?

 

[unleashed]

I suggest getting your calcium and magnesium,alk levels checked also iodine and strontium.these are very important factors when it comes to inverts and anenomes too much or not enough will be a major impact on thes species.if you do not have a test kit your LFS should be able to test them for you.I would do this asap. all of the above should be checked at least once per week.you seam to be having a problem with your inverts the most .these live on calcium without the proper levels they cannot survive.as far as spot feeding try.cyclopseze and springe the anenome and your stars.is your anenome sticky to the touch? if he is not that means hes def not doing will you will need to spot feed him daily to help bring him back to health .I alternate mysis shrim and cyclopseze and bi daily silverslides.