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lions den

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I have a pork puffer that I have had for about a year and a half. All of a sudden least week he stopped eating. He is in a tank with a Koran Angel, Niger Trigger, and Sailfin Tang. All of them are acting fine and they are still eating. His body looks good and just like it always has, but now when I feed them he will go to the food, look at it, then swim away. I have tried feeding him Brine Shrimp, Krill, Silversides, and another type of shrimp that I have, but he has not shown an interest in any. 0 ammonia and 0 nitrites in tank. Salinity is great. Now, he just sits on the bottom of the tank and somtimes swims, but its errattic. Please help!
 

volitan100

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i had a puffer that stopped eatting one time (later on i found out he had ich) but try a ghost shrimp. I fed it to my puffer, he gobbled it up evn though he was sick. He died 3 days later
 

805puffer

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my porcupine did the same exact thing. He layed on the bottom and barely moved. All my levels were good, but my ph was low, thats what i think killed him. It ws kind of weird because my eel and soapfish were ok, but my porc and dogface were laying on the bottom and inactive. A couple of days later, they both died. Hope you have better luck.
 

lion_crazz

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What is your exact salinity and what is your nitrates level?
Also, try a ghost shrimp. See if he will take to that. Also, try putting garlic on the frozen food for him to get a stronger smell from it.
 
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lions den

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Thanks for the suggestions guys. His eyes looks fine and from his appearance he seems to be OK. I normally feed him Krill and Silversides and my lfs said he probably has lock jaw which they said is pretty common. They told me to treat my tank with K-Mycin for 3 days to see if that helps. Do you all know much about this and what are your thoughts on its effectiveness?
 

scubadoo

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You said he stopped eating all of a sudden? Are you sure it was not a gradual decrease? The teeth on a puffer sometimes need to be trimmed. If the teeth are too big they stop eating...but it is usually gradual.
 

scubadoo

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Puffer dentistry..a cut and paste ..pleae note the bite you part.
Some aquarists have attempted manually filing the teeth down, but this is most always very traumatic on the fish. With the help of Greg Bishop DVM, Kelly first began doing puffer dentistry using MS 222 (tricaine methanesulfonate) and a "Dremel" rotary tool, much like the instruments that dentists use on people. Their procedure was conducted as follows:
Make an anesthesia bath using MS-222 with enough aquarium water to obtain a concentration of 100 ppm. Note: to make this solution from a dry weight – 1 ppm equals 0.001 grams per liter. You can multiply the amount of bath water (in gallons) by 0.0038 [3.8 liters per gallon] to determine how many grams of MS-222 are needed here. Chemicals like MS-222 for aquatic husbandry may be obtained through your veterinarian or aquaculture supply companies like Argent Laboratories.
Place the Puffer in the bath for about 20-60 seconds to be anesthetized, then remove the puffer promptly to begin the dentistry. Use a stone cutting wheel blade (composite formed or diamond-tipped, like for cutting ceramic tile) to trim off the tip of the overgrown teeth. Then use a gentle grinding bit to file smooth the rough or uneven edges.
It may be necessary during the procedure to place the Puffer back into the MS-222 for additional durations of ten to thirty seconds if the fish begins to awaken, move, clench its jaws or bite you! You can trickle aquarium water on the gills (or through the towel cover) to make the surgery out of water a bit less stressful. The entire procedure should take less than a minute or two, though, with no harm to the fish.
Another option for piscine anesthesia is clove oil (Eugenol Usp: 4-Allyl-2-methoxyphenol). Dose and duration for this method, like other forms of anesthesia, is somewhat variable by weight of the animal and sensitivities by species and individual. A typical recommended dose, however, is 4 drops of clove oil per liter of water (about 15 drops per gallon) to make an anesthetic bath. NEVER dose clove oil directly in the aquarium! It is an effective anesthetic with short exposure, but works as an agent of euthanasia to fishes in extended baths. In a clove oil bath solution, fishes should respond within one minute typically. Weak or smaller fishes may require a lower dose (2 drops of clove oil per liter of water) for an extended period of time (up to five minutes) for anesthetic effect. Large or tolerant fishes may require a slightly stronger concentration. We do not recommend more than 5 drops of clove oil per liter of water to make this anesthetic, but you can add 5 ml of ethanol per liter bath water for improved results. Clove oil can be easily found at online pharmacies, laboratory supply houses, local drug and health food stores - often by the aforementioned trade name, Eugenol.
* Note: For small puffers, the use of a power tool may be awkward or too large. In such cases it may be acceptable to just use diagonal pliers (AKA "wire cutters") or cuticle clippers (Note: these are NOT the same as fingernail clippers… They are similar to miniature diagonal pliers) to snip off the tips of overgrown teeth quickly. Just avoid using such pliers on thick or large overgrown teeth.:D
 

unleashed

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I dont know if you have placed him into a QT yet but i do suggest you do so asap.as you can tell by most of these responses when a puffer goes down he goes down hard.not knowing exactly what is wrong with these fish when this happens is the hardest part of treating them.but treatment is something that is needed asap.i suggest a wide spectrum antibiotic .personally i use spectogram ultra wide antibacterial treatment.there are many types on the market .i have found this one to be highly effective.i wish you the best of luck.if he is a smaller puffer chances are it isnt his teeth causing the lockjaw.lockjaw is mainly caused my lack of nutrients in his diet.ps no the dentistry isnt a joke
 

scubadoo

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Originally posted by Lions Den
You cant be serious about this!

Yes, do some resarch about the teeth on some puffers. The teeth grow rapidily naturally due to their diet in the ocean...hard shells, etc. Eventually they will stop eating unless you file the teeth down.
 

fishieness

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just checking, is feeding him krill every day enough crunchies to keep his teeth down? My valentini seems to be doing pretty well in the dentist department, but i jsut want to make sure for the long run
 
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lions den

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Well, All my puffer has wanted to eat for the longest time is Krill and that is what has got me where I am now. My LFS store said I should be trying to feed him Formula one if he will take it, but not sure if that is right though.
 

unleashed

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Originally posted by Lions Den
Well, All my puffer has wanted to eat for the longest time is Krill and that is what has got me where I am now. My LFS store said I should be trying to feed him Formula one if he will take it, but not sure if that is right though.

they suggest the formula one because they add vitamin and assential minerals and ameno icids to the frozen foods also garlic for extra vit c.omega one is formulated for all different types of fish for meat eaters thet have krill ,squid and mysis shrimps packs for a variety of foods.
 

sheracr123

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Hi Lions Den,
I had a porc for about 6 years. He got lockjaw once during that time. (This was due to my laziness. You MUST feed porcs hard crunchy food.)
Believe it or not, the only thing that got my porc eating again was to have his jaw massaged. I had a brave wonderful soul at my LFS who kept him a week, and massaged his jaw everyday. Believe it or not, it worked. I don't know how far back the post go, but it was about a year or so ago. You may want to look at them. And if you get him eating again, make sure you feed him some crunchy food. Raw shrimp with the shells, a sacrifice damsel one in a while, what ever it take to keep his jaw healthy!
GOOD LUCK!
Mendee
 
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