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2quills

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It is worth noting if the hobbyist has a great swing in day time and night time ph and what i am saying is your statment that "caulerpa that goes sexual in favorable ones" as far as conditions go is not accurate
I don't know Joe. Fortunately there is a plethora of actual data out there about caulerpa. The females release gametes (cloud up the water) when they are fertile.

Now I don't know if that has to do with the number of males around or if it's simply a survival response. But it's been reproduced in labs and seems to occur in healthy algae.
 

lmforbis

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I use the 23 watt cfls and yep they work great I've been intrigued by the redish/purplish LED growlights. I don't want to use them in my current sump because I don't want the purple light leaking out of the sides of the doors on my stand. When I move my sump to the basement I think I will try some sort of LED specifically designed for growing plants.
 

florida joe

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Actually you are correct about the plethora of actual data on caulerpa. Some of I which I actually received while visiting Mote marine lab here in Fl. They state that maintained properly it spreads asexually they accomplish this by sending out runners that develop new fronds and rhizoids Hence favorable conditions. The problem arises however, under less then favorable conditions. Its then that it will reproduce sexually. This is a simple fact of self-preservation. In the open ocean on a reef when the caulerpa runs out of nutrients to survive it goes sexual releasing the gametes. These gametes are moved through the ocean by currents to find new favorable areas to insure the caulerpa continues to survive. This brings me back to my original point. Caulerpa does not go sexual in favorable conditions
 

2quills

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Actually you are correct about the plethora of actual data on caulerpa. Some of I which I actually received while visiting Mote marine lab here in Fl. They state that maintained properly it spreads asexually they accomplish this by sending out runners that develop new fronds and rhizoids Hence favorable conditions. The problem arises however, under less then favorable conditions. Its then that it will reproduce sexually. This is a simple fact of self-preservation. In the open ocean on a reef when the caulerpa runs out of nutrients to survive it goes sexual releasing the gametes. These gametes are moved through the ocean by currents to find new favorable areas to insure the caulerpa continues to survive. This brings me back to my original point. Caulerpa does not go sexual in favorable conditions
What's the point of having it if you can't use it to keep nutrient to limited levels without worrying about those issues?

All I'm saying is I run a 24h cycle, maintain my chaeto so that it doesn't die off and I get great growth.

Haven't had any crashes from it so it's what I've been sticking with.

But I'm just a hobbyist. Not an authority.
 

florida joe

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My friend I am a little confused about your position. Would you not say that caulerpa will out compete chaeto for nutrients? If so that makes it the superior macro. The hobbyist need not worry if they cut back on a regular schedule. BUT once again your statement that caulerpa goes sexual in favorable conditions is giving hobbyist wrong information.BTW how is the elegance doing ?
 
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2quills

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My friend I am a little confused about your position. Would you not say that caulerpa will out compete chaeto for nutrients? If so that makes it the superior macro. The hobbyist need not worry if they cut back on a regular schedule. BUT once again your statement that caulerpa goes sexual in favorable conditions is giving hobbyist wrong information
Favorable conditions would have had to precede a sexual event would they not?

My position was in regards to lighting cycle since the op I believed wasn't seeing growth in their chaeto. And since I have chaeto that grows good I thought it was worth noting that I have not experienced any adverse effects with a 24h cycle as long as I maintain the chaeto. Which is super easy and takes virtually no time at all.

While I don't disagree with the notion of allowing caulerpa to out grow nutrient capacity causing essentially a spawning event. My point is why would you risk using it if your goal is to create a nutrient limited environment.

Seems like more of a gamble to me.
 

florida joe

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"Favorable conditions would have had to precede a sexual event would they not? " actually not, if one was to put caulerpa in an environment devoid of nutrients for its survival the said environment would not be favorable and thus causing it to go sexual
 

2quills

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"Favorable conditions would have had to precede a sexual event would they not? " actually not, if one was to put caulerpa in an environment devoid of nutrients for its survival the said environment would not be favorable and thus causing it to go sexual
OR a sudden and significant drop in temperature Perhaps?

You do realize there are numerous triggers associated with caulerpa going sexual right?

Seems to me we are just arguing semantics. And you haven't presented any relevant evidence or thoughts to avoid a 24/7 cycle with either algae. In fact I can find numerous threads suggesting otherwise with caulerpa.
 

one-fish

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Lol I agree with Imforbis......but its packed with a bunch of good info. One thing I have learned about this Hobby. There is No One Way of doing things Seems all have the same goal but different ways of achieving that goal. IMO fish/reef tanks are like fingerprints everyone is different...
 

lmforbis

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How we do things evolves over time as we learn new things. I don't have quite as much experience as some of these guys. It's been almost 20 years since I started my first salt water tank, and I did everything wrong. (20 gallon tank set up and stocked with 3 damsels from ***** on the same day). Now I feel I have a good idea what works on my system but it might not work on another system even another system of mine. It is a constant learning process.
 

florida joe

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Arguments. Heck you should have seen the old days now there were some good old fashioned drag down if I could only reach through this screen arguments. This is just two old friends having fun. Now back to the argument, umm I mean discussion. First I never said that you should avoid 24/7. I just posted a response from Kent marine. You have heard of them I assume. Caulerpa being a pet project of mine has in fact allowed me to research on my own and discuss with the experts at Mote marine. Have you heard of them? I agree as you say there are numerous triggers associated with caulerpa going sexual. BUT I have not come across in reading or talking to the experts that favorable conditions are a trigger for it going sexual? I would so like to add that bit of info to my data base. If you would be so kind as to direct me to your info on that particular information I would really appreciate it. NOW how the hell is the elegance going, I am getting tired of having my fingers crossed. TELL ME SOMETHING GOOD
 

2quills

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Basically what I meant Joe, whas that caulerpa can be growing just fine in favorable conditions and then something happens.

I will concede that there must be some sort of non favorable event to occur to initiate a spawning event.

But from my research it seems it can happen from anything as simple as a drop in nutrients, changes in salinity, temperature, lighting etc. Others claim it happens from time to time every so often with no clear explanation to them as to why.

So for beginner hobbyists It's just not the algae I recommend. Chaeto on the other hand I have no complaints with other than the occasional piece from time to time that might get trapped in a power head (typically no big deal). From time to time I may get a piece that makes it up to the display where it is quickly disposed of by my yellow tang.

It also has done a great job at keeping nitrates in my system at limited/non detectable levels. Which doesn't mean nitrates aren't in there. It just means they don't exist in excessive levels which is great.


I would actually like to ask the OP how high above the water line his/her lights are. I don't believe the cool white leds in the Eshopps refugium light fixture are ideal for algae growth. Or at least not the types of algae we are discussing. The problem with 6500k leds is that they are actually manufactured from Blue leds and lack any spectral output in the upper red wavelengths that are ideal for the type chlorophyll that we are targeting. 6500k compacts would actually work better as a fuge light than 6500k leds in this case unless you supplement with red. But they should be high range red. Not just any red led.

I think I need more coffee
 

florida joe

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Please tell me you have not lost the elegance. don't want to highjack but this is a picture of the skeleton from the second elegance i lost. I cant seem to get rid of it. Hope yours makes it.
 
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2quills

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Please tell me you have not lost the elegance.
Unfortunately my firend I'm going to pull the plug on it today. What ever this thing needs in order to thrive apparently doesn't exist in my system.

My LFS just got in a giant rock with large Duncan colony that has great color. Soon as they frag it they told me I was first on the list.

No more elegance for me.
 

florida joe

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I feel your pain I just don't know what it is about them . I am seriously thinking our tanks are TO clean. I am actually going to my LFS now i will take some more pics of the one they have perhaps we can live vicariously through theirs. I dont know if you have read this but it seems we are not alone
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/elegfaqs.htm
 
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dangerfish

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I was doing some more research on the light I have and figured out that my light has 6500k color tempature and I was wondering if that is good or bad and if that is what is killing my algae.
 

one-fish

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Question from 2quills above how far from the water surface is your light located. I moved by light down to about 4 in from surface directly over my target. Going to try that and see......
 
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