Helppppp I had another crash

dilan

Member
Ok heres the deal i had a crash in the summer that killed all of my fish. I had never found what had happened. I waited a couple months then i added fish and bam another crash happened but i had been able to save some fish. I had a quarentine tank thank god and put them in their. They were breathing rapidly in the 55gal. Then I waited a month then added the one remaining fish thenbam again it happened and this time it happened at the end of the day. All these crashges were cloudy. I believe it could be a bacterial bloom. So the stats of the test

Ammonia : 0ppm
Salinity: 1.023
Nitrate: 0
Nitrite: 0
PH: *.4 this is the highest its ever been becuase the day before i did a 50 percent water change cleaned my filter and added a ph upper thing then the next day added the fish.

Any help would be appreciated. I have 2 other successful tanks a 10gal and a 180gal
 

dilan

Member
no and also i dont have a sump/refugium because my tank is glass which is not plumbed correctly.

The first crash i had around 8 no survivors
the second I had 5 and 3 survivors
the last and most recent 1 tomatoe clown which had died
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Hi,

I so sorry to hear of your troubles...AGAIN, how disturbing. can you answer the questions below, it's just brain storming to try and find a possible solution.

What kind of container are you mixing your change water in?
Did all of these crashes follow a water change each time?
If there were no fish in the tank, why did you do a 50% water change, before adding fish?
Why did you change the filter? Did you completely replace all the filter media, or leave some?

What kind of equipment do you have, please list everything.
 

zoidberg01

Member
I would recommend a protein skimmer thoes will lower your ph, ammonia etc... and will put the water really clear and healthy
 

dilan

Member
I mix the water in a 5gal bucket
I did a water change before each of the crashes and cleaned the filter
I did 50 % water change because of the crash before this
Crash.
I left all of my stuff except i took out a mixture and put in some activated carbon
Equipment
Flu all 404 filter
Heater
Aqua pure denitarater
Korilia 950 and a 450
That's all i dpnt have a proteighn skimmer or sump refugium
Also a coralife light fixture
 

silverado61

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilan http:///t/396734/helppppp-i-had-another-crash#post_3534850
I mix the water in a 5gal bucket
I did a water change before each of the crashes and cleaned the filter
I did 50 % water change because of the crash before this
Crash.
I left all of my stuff except i took out a mixture and put in some activated carbon
Equipment
Flu all 404 filter
Heater
Aqua pure denitarater
Korilia 950 and a 450
That's all i dpnt have a proteighn skimmer or sump refugium
Also a coralife light fixture
There are a few things I don't understand.

1- How did you do a 50% (25 gallon) water change with a 5 gallon bucket?
2- Even if you used a 5 gallon bucket, (That would be a 10% water change. Not 50%) did you let the water mix for at least 24hrs before using it?
3- What type of water did you use? Tap water or RO?
4- Quote: "I left out all my stuff except I took out a mixture and put in some activated carbon."
What "stuff" did you leave out and what "mixture" did you take out?

The more detailed information you provide, the easier it will be for everybody to help.
 

dilan

Member
For the 50% water change i filled it and emptied it numerous times. I filled and emptied 5 times to m
Are it a 50%. I think that. Answers it
I did not know to let the water stay and mix for 24 hr i usually just mix it Nd put it in when i dont feel anymore salt. (More info on the 24 hr waiting would be helpful to my understanding)
I use tap water with a conditioner. I know its bad and i know u can bye ro water at Walmart but i cant drive and my parents are always busy
I meant i left in some media some filter floss and i took out a mixture. I dont know the name of the mixture but it looks like rocks. Srry couldn't be descriptive there.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by silverado61 http:///t/396734/helppppp-i-had-another-crash#post_3534858
There are a few things I don't understand.

1- How did you do a 50% (25 gallon) water change with a 5 gallon bucket?
2- Even if you used a 5 gallon bucket, (That would be a 10% water change. Not 50%) did you let the water mix for at least 24hrs before using it?
3- What type of water did you use? Tap water or RO?
4- Quote: "I left out all my stuff except I took out a mixture and put in some activated carbon."
What "stuff" did you leave out and what "mixture" did you take out?

The more detailed information you provide, the easier it will be for everybody to help.

Well asked, young Grasshopper.

Getting back on track...I know the cloudy water would suggest bacterial bloom, the REASON a bacterial bloom would cause the fish to die, is lack of oxygen. That's also how the fish acted, like they couldn't breath. Other things besides bacterial blooms and ammonia can cause that, including contaminated buckets with chemical used in cleaning. The bucket doesn't have to be "used" either, just around where stuff is dripped or sprayed. I overturn my buckets so that doesn't happen, if there is any doubt, the bucket is not used.

Buckets are dangerous unless clearly marked FISH ONLY, and you guard them with your life. It's just too handy to grab a bucket for anything needed around the house, and once it's used for ANYTHING...it can't be used for your tank safely. Since a crash followed water changes all 3Xs, that's where I think the problem is originating, it's too much be a coincidence.
 

silverado61

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilan http:///t/396734/helppppp-i-had-another-crash#post_3534860
For the 50% water change i filled it and emptied it numerous times. I filled and emptied 5 times to m
Are it a 50%. I think that. Answers it
I did not know to let the water stay and mix for 24 hr i usually just mix it Nd put it in when i dont feel anymore salt. (More info on the 24 hr waiting would be helpful to my understanding)
I use tap water with a conditioner. I know its bad and i know u can bye ro water at Walmart but i cant drive and my parents are always busy
I meant i left in some media some filter floss and i took out a mixture. I dont know the name of the mixture but it looks like rocks. Srry couldn't be descriptive there.
For a 55 gallon tank you only need to do a 10% (10 gallon) water change (If it's an established tank). If your doing it repeatedly, 5 gallons at a time, in reality you only did about a 30% change. Wasting conditioner and salt and throwing your good money out the window in the process. You need to get a 30 to 50 gallon drum with a lid/cover (Rubbermaid is the best). Fill it, not to the top, and add the right amount of salt. If your using Instant Ocean salt, use 1/2 cup of salt per gallon. Sprinkle it into the water, don't just pour it in, to make sure it doesn't just clump up at the bottom.
Put a power-head in the drum (One rated for at least 400GPH) and then just let it churn the water up for at least 24hrs before you use it. Make sure you test the salinity of the water so that it matches the gravity that's in your tank. If it's not the same as the tank, add water or salt (depending on if it's too high or low) a little at a time and let it mix for at least 10 more hours and test it again. The new salt water should be the same temp as the tank but if it's off by only a couple of degrees it won't be a problem.

When you add it to your tank, don't just pour it in. Add it slowly or you'll disturb the substrate and that could be part of the problem of the crash. In my honest opinion, I think the crash was caused because you put the water in too early. Your tank turned cloudy because the salt wasn't completely dissolved and burned the fishes gills which is why they were gasping for breath. Just because you can't feel the salt, doesn't mean it's completely dissolved. The cloudy water was the undissolved salt.

Don't worry. It's not the end of the world as you know it. We all learn from our mistakes. At least I hope we do. The key is to not repeat those mistakes and trust me, I've made plenty of them.

But.... your in the right place. This site (SWF.com) is the best there is on the web. There are many like it but this one is yours. There are SO many people here that are more than willing to answer any questions you many have and will try to help you with any problems you might encounter. Professors, Biologists, Chemists, Craftsmen, Pure Hobbyists and more
. They're all here. People that have anywhere from 1 to 40 years and more experience in this hobby. And they all started where you are now. All you have to do is ask. And don't forget to add as much info and detail about the problem as you can. If they ask for more information than you provided, don't be offended or get discouraged
. Just take a breath..... and answer.

Welcome to the site. Come on in. The waters great!

BTW: Flower is right. Everything I have for my tank is marked "FISH ONLY!" My wife laughs at me because I use a toothbrush for cleaning and even it's marked "FISH ONLY!" I had to refrain from putting"FISH ONLY!" on my tank. lol. And I don't even have fish. I have an invert tank.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by silverado61 http:///t/396734/helppppp-i-had-another-crash#post_3534865
For a 55 gallon tank you only need to do a 10% (10 gallon) water change (If it's an established tank). If your doing it repeatedly, 5 gallons at a time, in reality you only did about a 30% change. Wasting conditioner and salt and throwing your good money out the window in the process. You need to get a 30 to 50 gallon drum with a lid/cover (Rubbermaid is the best). Fill it, not to the top, and add the right amount of salt. If your using Instant Ocean salt, use 1/2 cup of salt per gallon. Sprinkle it into the water, don't just pour it in, to make sure it doesn't just clump up at the bottom.
Put a power-head in the drum (One rated for at least 400GPH) and then just let it churn the water up for at least 24hrs before you use it. Make sure you test the salinity of the water so that it matches the gravity that's in your tank. If it's not the same as the tank, add water or salt (depending on if it's too high or low) a little at a time and let it mix for at least 10 more hours and test it again. The new salt water should be the same temp as the tank but if it's off by only a couple of degrees it won't be a problem.

When you add it to your tank, don't just pour it in. Add it slowly or you'll disturb the substrate and that could be part of the problem of the crash. In my honest opinion, I think the crash was caused because you put the water in too early. Your tank turned cloudy because the salt wasn't completely dissolved and burned the fishes gills which is why they were gasping for breath. Just because you can't feel the salt, doesn't mean it's completely dissolved. The cloudy water was the undissolved salt.

Don't worry. It's not the end of the world as you know it. We all learn from our mistakes. At least I hope we do. The key is to not repeat those mistakes and trust me, I've made plenty of them.

But.... your in the right place. This site (SWF.com) is the best there is on the web. There are many like it but this one is yours. There are SO many people here that are more than willing to answer any questions you many have and will try to help you with any problems you might encounter. Professors, Biologists, Chemists, Craftsmen, Pure Hobbyists and more
. They're all here. People that have anywhere from 1 to 40 years and more experience in this hobby. And they all started where you are now. All you have to do is ask. And don't forget to add as much info and detail about the problem as you can. If they ask for more information than you provided, don't be offended or get discouraged
. Just take a breath..... and answer.

Welcome to the site. Come on in. The waters great!

BTW: Flower is right. Everything I have for my tank is marked "FISH ONLY!" My wife laughs at me because I use a toothbrush for cleaning and even it's marked "FISH ONLY!" I had to refrain from putting"FISH ONLY!" on my tank. lol. And I don't even have fish. I have an invert tank.

Hi,

Not mixed long enough saltwater would do it, but only if you used it immediately, I have after just a few hours, used new saltwater in an emergency...matching the SG was important, and I had to wait for the salt to dissolve enough to even get a proper reading on it....but if the OP has a successful 180g and another 10g tank...as stated in post #1, how could s/he not know about mixing salt?
 

dilan

Member
Thanks guys i think we found the problem it has cleared todY and the buckets are in a fish on.y room nobody is allowed in it except me and my dad.
Any more info i can answer but i feel like we found it now i need help with a solution thx guys for all this excpecially flower. Since she helped me on the last crash
 

dilan

Member
Idk how my dad doesnt know about the salt thing he is kinda old fashioned i guess he used to keep all the tanks with just doing what we are doing currently and then when we moved he passed it down to me I guess we learn something everyday
 

dilan

Member
Now its time to brainstorm what it is the thing i think it is a bacterial bloom
How am i supposed to correct it me and my dad were thinking of restarting
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Hi,

Getting the organics out of the water should prevent bacterial blooms...that means it's time to get a protein skimmer. Some people actually get CO2 to inject into their systems, it always looked complicated to me, but so does making a shelf...Miss handy, I am not. I do know a skimmer pulls out yuck junk you can't even test for, so that would be my move to restarting.
 
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