thnx johnny. one problem, the link about fragging the frog spawn wont work. i want to know for future reference. but what it seems to me is that you cut it with a dremel. do you cut through flesh when dealing with frog spawns? thnx johnny. i just got done reading your post on one of my thread from last december lol. thnx for the late heads up on getting a clam:happy: . i got the maxima for $20 monies and it was my birthday. all is well with him. he just wont stay still on my sand bed.