herps to avoid by most hobbyists

sharkboy13

Active Member
these herps should only be attempted by some1 who has years experience with other species.
venomous snakes and lizards: well this is more of a duh but they could kill u, plus last i checked crofab wasnt cheap, $5,000 for 5 viles and it takes about 20 to cure a bite, plus any antivenom needs to be replaced in 4 years of purchase.
burmese pythons: these snakes (especilly the albinos) have a bad temperment but CAN be calmed down w/ frequent handling as a baby. these snakes i would not reccomend becuz they can get 20+feet and should not be attended by onesself if over 10ft (this rule applies to venomous as well as other constrictors that get 10ft or more)
reticulated pythons: imo these should only be attempted by any1 that is part of a zoo or educational organization as these snakes have bad temperments and get to 30+ft and most have internal parasites. any1 who plans on buying one if ur not a zoo or ed organization bettr have one damn good reason to get it.
rock pythons: these snakes should be avoided by most hobbyists due to the fact they can be very bad tempered and have been known get 20+ft.
anacondas: tho we all want one i have to say no dont get it, these snakes almost nevr become tame and all get over 10ft (10ft is the point where a constrictor is considered a threat to human life) as well as needing atleast 2/3 of their enclosure water.
crocodilians: all crocodilians should be avoided by hobbyists for all alligators sold by lhs's get 20ft which is often to large for a hobbyist and often r let loose into the nearest water system by irresponsible hobbyists. caimans tho staying under 10ft nevr lose their aggressive nature, and also require fish in their diet to have a constant level of mercury which helps them regulate body temp.
most water monitors: most water monitors get to large and aggressive for most hobbyists, often causing medical care to be needed.
black widow spiders: black widows should nevr be kept, by ANY1, they r deadly and r for the most part illegal to own.
mantellas and poison dart frogs: these guys if WC r often infected w/ parasites or in the case of the poison dart frog may be venomous. they also require a constant high humidity.
mossy leaf geckos: these almost nevr survive due to they r stressed easily among other things.
high humidity snakes: often not maintainable by hobbyists these snakes if do not have just the right humidity will not shed, these species include the evr popular emerald tree boas, green tree pythons, vine snakes, and any other tropical vine snake.
day geckos: altho evr popular becuz of geico these geckos require high humidity and r extremely fragile and quick.
collared lizards: these often r misunderstood, ppl think they have beautiful colors so they put them in w/ other lizards, bad idea, they r cannabalistic and often aggressive towards the hand that feeds them.
WC uros: wc uros often have parasites or refuse to eat.
horned toads}:these lizards both should only be kept by zoos
thorny devils}who have the right facilities to breed the ants these creatures need to survive plus thorny devils r endangered and if u happen to see one for sale, IMMEDIATELY report it to fish and game or animal control. not only will the sum of money be large for u reporting it but another one of these amazing animals will be returned to their natural enviroments.
sea snakes: aside from being venomous these animals often die even in the hands of the best aquariums. altho there have been stories of ppl succeeding in keeping them in 800gal aquariums i would highly reccomend against it for as AW said (i have refitted this to fit herps) "there is a large difference between keeping a herp alive and keeping a herp comfortably"
tegus: these animals r often sold small but do get about 4 feet and occasionally become nasty.
green iguanas: these r often sold small and cheap becuz theyre infamous to beginners but they can become nasty and often cause hospitalization if wounds r severe enough
any1 feel free to chime in and make suggestions
 

sugarfox03

Member
What about Tegu's? Most people get them when they are small, but don't realize they get pretty big & nasty and require a special environment where they have a lot of space to dig. Most need a concrete pit thats fully closed in the bottom to keep them contained (and happy!) Any large snake, like you mentioned. Iguanas are another reptile that is sold small, but gets big & mean and needs a special enclosure that most people cannot give them when adults. Some animals should just stay in the wild...Any species of large turtle/tortoise...for the same reason as the others, they get too big, and need large enclosures. If you cannot keep the animal throughout its lifetime, don't get it!
 

sharkboy13

Active Member
well alot of tegus r often nice ime, and iggys can be kept w/ exp, but these animals r most ppl should stay away from. but just becuz i see what u mean ill add them
 

sharkboy13

Active Member
now this is what ticks me off, ppl taking naturally beautiful snakes, inbreeding and inbreeding over and over until they get the right color, then what do they dow w/ the "imperfect" ones? euthanasia! grr and then they charge like a bajillion dollars for the snake, getting mindless collectors to come and ooh and ahh and then buying it not knowing what theyre getting into
 

sharkboy13

Active Member
herps is a abbreviation for the study of herpotology, reptiles and amphibians, altho i agree if u can help it dont get herpes
 

casey75

Member
Herps are awesome stop whining.
Poison dart frogs are perfectly safe as long as you feed them crickets and flies. They are poisonous due to what they eat in the wild, fire ants. In captivity they are harmless. Many are captive bred now too.
As for snakes, many of the large and venomous snakes have been outlawed with state and federal laws. Just because people mishandle them doesn't make them bad.
Iguanas are definitely oversold and have a bad temperament.
Most lizards should be housed separately. The person who housed collard lizards together was their stupid mistake not the lizards.
People who know nothing about reptiles should read more about them before going out and buying one same goes for swf/corals. Most wild caught animals that are sold, like fish, end up dying because of how they are mistreated and don't take to their new lifestyle.
People are just irresponsible and at the cost of the reptile.
Herps are so cool though and shouldn't be bashed because how stupid people are. :mad:
 

sharkboy13

Active Member
what do u mean bashed? i was just saying some hobbyists should avoid them because in some states venomous snakes, large constrictors, large monitors etc r legal and r often sold as "great beginner herps" ( a quote from a lhs down in concord) and alot of other herps like sea snakes, and horny toads r often sold to hobbyists when even zoos cannot keep them alive. plus poison darts/ mantellas often dont survive because the enviroment that the beginning owner has supplied is not efficient. so just dont flame plz, this is an informational thread for beginning hobbyists to know what lhs/lfs traps to avoid
 

casey75

Member
I don't mean to "flame" it just bugs me when people buy things because it looks cool or cute. People need to research animals and what they need before they buy. This is a big problem with lhs and lfs. They get people working their who don't know anything. Then the rest of the community has to clean up the rest. At least with most reptiles they don't die as fast as fish, so they can get help.
For beginner herp keepers stick to reptiles like leopard geckos, ball pythons, cornsnakes, bearded dragons, anoles. But at the same time u got to know what ur doing.
Watch out for venomoids- venomous snakes that get their venom glands removed. it is cruel and in some cases they can grow back. Plus a majority of them die because of the surgery. leave the venoumous snakes to the profs.
Just do research like u do with ur fish and u should be a ok
 

team2jndd

Active Member
Originally Posted by Sharkboy13
im sry but what does that have to do w/ this?
better question.. what does this have to do with swf? I know this is the aquarium but generally when others post pointless stuff there is nowhere else for it. Why dont you go to a herpotology website or something where more people can appreciate it. I am not trying to be rude im just trying to understand what the point of this is.
 

sharkboy13

Active Member
becuz there r some ppl who occasionally look into getting herps and im just saying what they shouldnt get. also many lfs also carry herps and ppl should nowhat is a good thing to see and what is not
 

team2jndd

Active Member
Again, not trying to be rude but arent you only 13. Actually, I thought you were younger than that. Dont you think its a little out of line for you to tell people who are most likely alot older than you and perhaps a little more experienced than you what they can and cant handle? Not to mention alot of the stuff youve listed generally falls under the common sense column. I would think that most people with half a brain could understand that anacondas are a little bit out of their league. Not that I know anything about snakes because I just dont understand the appeal but many people cant understand my passion for swf. To each his own. Im just saying that if i decided "hey im gonna go and buy a snake today" I dont think I would come to swf.com to check and see if its on their list of dos and donts.
 

sharkboy13

Active Member
ok, i suppose owning reptiles half my life, working at the american international rattlesnake museum, and owning atleast 2/3 of the animals on the list means i cant have an opinion on what is and isnt suitable for the home vivaria. also some ppl dont have common sense (not pointed in any1s direction) i have actually seen vendors say "oh ya this anaconda is a great beginner" and ppl believe that, who knows ppl who dont have any common sense may be on this sight reading this thread. u never know. also if u dont understand the appeal y in the hell did u read this thread let alone post in it?
 

team2jndd

Active Member
It would take someone with no common sense to take the advice from somebody who says that these animals are unsafe and then goes on to say but i have kept two thirds of them. Clearly, either you at one point had no common sense or you just feel that you are better and can keep them. And yeah I can see the appeal based on the fact that so many others have expressed their interest.
 

sharkboy13

Active Member
ill agree i have had no common sense, but i was infact nevr hurt by my animals nor did i evr come close, i dont think im bettr than any1. and finally im glad u can see their appeal
 

reefreak29

Active Member
Originally Posted by team2jndd
It would take someone with no common sense to take the advice from somebody who says that these animals are unsafe and then goes on to say but i have kept two thirds of them. Clearly, either you at one point had no common sense or you just feel that you are better and can keep them. And yeah I can see the appeal based on the fact that so many others have expressed their interest.
dude whats your problem this is a forume to talk about whatever , if u dont like the thread then stay out ,we dont need your ignorant 2 cents in everyone of these threads
 

team2jndd

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefreak29
dude whats your problem this is a forume to talk about whatever , if u dont like the thread then stay out ,we dont need your ignorant 2 cents in everyone of these threads
My problem? I do believe that i said several times that my post wasnt meant to be rude. Look at the aquarium... he has atleast 5 threads about snakes. This isnt a snake forum I said it would be more appreciated somehwere else. Im not saying that he cant do it or that its wrong I just think that if he went to a snake forum alot more people would appreciate the information because people at those forums are actually looking for the it.
 

sharkboy13

Active Member
ya, i dont have 5, and theyre not all about snakes. and even if theyre not meant to be rude they are. and it might not be, i do infact belong to a reptile forum (they dont make a snake only forum) and i did post there and i was bashed repeatedly.
 
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