Honestly how thick do people get.

[rainbow grouper]

Ok so i saw a tank on ebay (its been sold now) it was 35 gallon containing 1 regal blue tang

and one panther grouper

along with an ocellaris clown. Can you believe that how thick dum and stupid do people get i hate selfish ******* like that. he must be an idiot to think that was ok. If i had the £ i would have bought it to save the poor creatures then by a 200 gallon tank put them in then sell them the poor fish.But actually i would probably fall in love with them and get a few more fish to put in there but unfortunately i dont have that sort of money

 

[aquaknight]

Actually, I am more then willing to bet, that guy and tanks like his, are the majority. We, the educated hobbyist, are the minority.

 

[beth]

I remember when someone on ebay was selling rare YTs that had a sporty black stripe down the center of the fish's body.

 

[flower]

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Originally Posted by rainbow grouper http:///t/387647/honestly-how-thick-do-people-get#post_3412503
Ok so i saw a tank on ebay (its been sold now) it was 35 gallon containing 1 regal blue tang

and one panther grouper

along with an ocellaris clown. Can you believe that how thick dum and stupid do people get i hate selfish ******* like that. he must be an idiot to think that was ok. If i had the £ i would have bought it to save the poor creatures then by a 200 gallon tank put them in then sell them the poor fish.But actually i would probably fall in love with them and get a few more fish to put in there but unfortunately i dont have that sort of money
Like Aquaknight said is very true....also not everyone can afford a 200g tank to get anything we want. Most folks pick their fish for their beauty and if they can get along, few think ahead or know to do so...on how big a fish gets when mature.
A beginner may feel like a total newbie on this sight, but already after reading posts after just a few days....a person on this sight is years above the average in knowledge. The web has opened a huge flood of available knowlegde...it's the one truely good thing about it, sites like this are a blessing.

 

[rainbow grouper]

Yes thats problem people should THINK before they act.

 

[travelerjp98]

good post rainbow grouper

 

[bubblegurl]

I'm new at this hobby and this site has been so informative. At a lfs today I saw yellow tangs that were so pale and thin it was sad selling for $60 and up. I also saw fish that I didn't think should be together, banner fish picking on and chasing a larger fish diff species. This site and forum is teaching me what to look for and research before buying...keep it up. Maybe that guy is selling bec he realizes he screwed up...I hope anyway!

 

[rainbow grouper]

Yes if you must run an aquarium anywhere then you must be able to be responsible enough to do the research and look after these amazing creatures properly

 

[flower]

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Originally Posted by rainbow grouper http:///t/387647/honestly-how-thick-do-people-get#post_3412777
Yes if you must run an aquarium anywhere then you must be able to be responsible enough to do the research and look after these amazing creatures properly
I can't believe we have become fish snobs....sorry but when I first started, I was 15 years old and got my first Taco Bell paycheck of $116.00 for two weeks work...I bought a tank...set it up and I was so broke I had to wait for my next payday to get anymore than the one fish, nothing ever happened until you added that one fish...I had no idea about cycling or anything. I never lost a fish to the ammonia spike. That one fish got the cycle started, back then it was the way it was done. I never did a test on the water until my kids were growing up.
It was just a freshwater 10g fish tank but I loved it. I read up on them later and found out how to do things better as time passed. There was no internet back then....to me a 55g was a big tank.
Fast forward and many years later, at the age of late 30s near 40...I go saltwater...by then I was smart enough to read a book on the subject before diving in...then later I find this site and boy oh boy...how I kept a tank going without this place is a mystery to me.
I see kids on this site...and I see folks like myself that just jumped in with both feet, and found the site later. I also found the thinkers who were deep into planning it all out first to do it right. This is a hobby and I think the saltwater fish are gaining some ground...back in the day only the rich had saltwater tanks. So don't be so up and haughty about how you need to be oh so reponsible for these amazing creatures.
I only get a short fuse when I give advice, or I see someone else gives good advice, and the person ignores all warnings and does it their way anyhow and the tank crashes. I feel all others deserve a little slack.

 

[mantisman51]

I believe it was Bang Guy (I have no doubt he'll correct me if I'm mistaken) who changed my mind a bit on the subject. As I recall he said something like we have no problem killing and eating fish, but beat up on people who are trying to give them as good a home as possible. It's true that we who care about our livestock and make this a lifelong passion will do everything possible to give our animals what they need, but that doesn't mean inexperienced folks should be castigated and ran off for making some mistakes but still trying to do right by their fish. We have all killed fish by error. It breaks my heart to lose a fish, but unfortunately fish are going to die while people new to the hobby learn the hard way. It's not stupid or evil, it's just how we all learn. I would like to find out how many people actually researched every facet of aquaria before getting their first fish. I'll bet it's real close to 0%.

 

[flower]

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/387647/honestly-how-thick-do-people-get#post_3412841
I believe it was Bang Guy (I have no doubt he'll correct me if I'm mistaken) who changed my mind a bit on the subject. As I recall he said something like we have no problem killing and eating fish, but beat up on people who are trying to give them as good a home as possible. It's true that we who care about our livestock and make this a lifelong passion will do everything possible to give our animals what they need, but that doesn't mean inexperienced folks should be castigated and ran off for making some mistakes but still trying to do right by their fish. We have all killed fish by error. It breaks my heart to lose a fish, but unfortunately fish are going to die while people new to the hobby learn the hard way. It's not stupid or evil, it's just how we all learn. I would like to find out how many people actually researched every facet of aquaria before getting their first fish. I'll bet it's real close to 0%.
I have to thank you for this post...I was afraid of getting Rainbow Grouper a little mifted at me...between the two last posts maybe he will understand a little better...It would be a perfect world if we all did some homework before any endever...including having children...LOL...I think some folks just should never have any.

 

[bionicarm]

When I first statrted saltwater tanks, I read and researched what type fish could go into what sized tank. I was always told that saltwater fish were different than freshwater, in that they don't stop growing up to the size of their living environments. Case in point, the "rule" was you didn't put a Blue Hippo Tang in anything smaller than a 125 gallon (maybe a 90). My first tank was a 55 (now the only one I have left and have had up for the last several years). A buddy got deployed, and had recently bought a Juvi Blue Hippo that was the size of a quarter, and it needed a new "home" So I dropped it into my 55. That was over 2 years ago. He's still kicking today, bossing all the other "small fires" around. He's about 3" in length, and has been that size for at least a year, if not longer. If you go by the "rule", he should be at least 6" in size, if not larger. Believe me, the guy eats like a horse. So what happened?

 

[travelerjp98]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/387647/honestly-how-thick-do-people-get#post_3412841
I believe it was Bang Guy (I have no doubt he'll correct me if I'm mistaken) who changed my mind a bit on the subject. As I recall he said something like we have no problem killing and eating fish, but beat up on people who are trying to give them as good a home as possible. It's true that we who care about our livestock and make this a lifelong passion will do everything possible to give our animals what they need, but that doesn't mean inexperienced folks should be castigated and ran off for making some mistakes but still trying to do right by their fish. We have all killed fish by error. It breaks my heart to lose a fish, but unfortunately fish are going to die while people new to the hobby learn the hard way. It's not stupid or evil, it's just how we all learn. I would like to find out how many people actually researched every facet of aquaria before getting their first fish. I'll bet it's real close to 0%.
+1... I can't stand when people who don't understand the hobby tell me how "bad" I took care of my fish or how "cruel" I am when I lose a fish. I try to maintain the best possible conditions that I can, with my 1) budget and 2) time, etc... when very rarely a fish does die, I feel very guilty inside and yes, I do get sad. Even if it's not my fault.
Anyways, It was even harder for me to maintain the best possible environment for my fish because I got into this hobby accidentally, actually... how weird does that sound? But, its true... and now, after 3 years of learning and experiencing saltwater fish, I still make my mistakes here and there and I am still learning. In 10 years when I'll be a hobbyist, I will also be learning. Same with 20 and even 30 years in this hobby.

 

[flower]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/387647/honestly-how-thick-do-people-get#post_3412878
When I first statrted saltwater tanks, I read and researched what type fish could go into what sized tank. I was always told that saltwater fish were different than freshwater, in that they don't stop growing up to the size of their living environments. Case in point, the "rule" was you didn't put a Blue Hippo Tang in anything smaller than a 125 gallon (maybe a 90). My first tank was a 55 (now the only one I have left and have had up for the last several years). A buddy got deployed, and had recently bought a Juvi Blue Hippo that was the size of a quarter, and it needed a new "home" So I dropped it into my 55. That was over 2 years ago. He's still kicking today, bossing all the other "small fires" around. He's about 3" in length, and has been that size for at least a year, if not longer. If you go by the "rule", he should be at least 6" in size, if not larger. Believe me, the guy eats like a horse. So what happened?
They have to eat like a horse when they are very young...otherwise it stunts their growth. Most folks hardly feed thier fish for fear of algae blooms.
I always feed my fish well and get a big CUC...and water changes and algae eating fish...LOL my tiny tang was smaller than my pinky nail...he died during the black out...I can't believe how hard I cried when that fish went belly up. He was the biggest and the first to die. I lost 3 of my favorite fish...the rest made it.

 

[reefraff]

I think people who get their info online do a much better job because they aren't being sold anything. Even most of the e-tail fish stores have honest tank ratings for fish they sell. I was standing in a LFS once when the owner was trying to sell a pair of Perc clowns to a guy for a 90 that was going to be upgraded to a 150. The guy already had 3 tangs and and a bunch of other stuff in the tank, Including a pair of Maroon Clowns. He looks at me and says "Steve, that will be ok in the 90 for a month wont they?" I said "sure, get rid of the Maroons and two of the tangs". Not the answer he wanted to hear.