How Important is a Gun Safe?

yearofthenick

Active Member
Well, as you guys know, we've decided to purchase some guns for home protection. While I'm waiting for the 10-day period to end, I have been thinking a lot about whether or not to get a gun safe. The only problem is that they're expensive!
The shotgun I purchased comes with a plastic case and a trigger lock. The handgun I purchased comes with a cable lock.
So my question is this: How important is a gun safe? What do you use yours for, quick access or protection from theft? Is it important to get one ASAP, soon, or whenever I have the cash to spend?
 

t316

Active Member
Depends on your reasoning...Are you asking for "safety" reasons, or "theft" reasons?
I have 3 kids in the house, and I have no gun safe. With that said, it is totally against the law in every state of the union (to my knowledge) to allow access to a firearm to a minor. Although most of the guns in my house "belong to the kids", they were raised and are well aware that you do not come near any firearm without my permission.
But as backup, I am not stupid in regards to curiousness, and/or accidents, therefore ALL ammo. is secured where they do not have access, but I do.
In short, safety comes first, theft is not even in the picture, but protection is always in mind.
 

yearofthenick

Active Member
I totally understand your logic with keeping the ammo under lock and key, but by leaving the guns out, doesn't that violate the first of the 4 basic safety rules of owning a gun? "Always treat the gun as if it were loaded."
 

t316

Active Member
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3229937
I totally understand your logic with keeping the ammo under lock and key, but by leaving the guns out, doesn't that violate the first of the 4 basic safety rules of owning a gun? "Always treat the gun as if it were loaded."
Possibly, but no. I have always practiced this rule, as well as taught my kids, that every gun is "loaded" until you clear otherwise.
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick

http:///forum/post/3229939
Plus, if there were a break in and you weren't there, wouldn't you be worried about the intruder stealing the guns?
As stated earlier, theft is the least of my concerns. As a matter of fact, I have been broken into in the past. No firearms were stolen, but my badge, ID, and handcuffs were. That to me was more dangerous than any firearm. Point being, if I'm not at home, they can have what they want. But if I am at home, I want access to protection, and I want it NOW. With kids in the house, that is a fine line, but I take that risk with law/accident verses the accidental death of one of my sons. Because my kids are still on the "young" side of life, I weigh heavily on the safety side, but I still keep access and sleep well at night knowing that an intruder WILL die if he/she enters my house when we are at home.
 

scsinet

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Your questions are all valid, but the topic is tricky.
"allowing access to minors" is a very broadly interpreted term. Basically it's a catch all that they can nail you for if a minor gets a hold of your guns no matter what you do. If you buy a small gun safe, lock up your guns in it, then put that smaller safe in a bigger safe and lock that, and a kid gets into it using a cutting torch and a block of C4, they can still bust you for it.
Does it violate "treat every gun as if it were loaded?" No, because you aren't supposed to have them loaded in the safe anyway. In fact, guns and ammo should always be stored in separate places.
Would not having one increase the chances of an intruder stealing them? That all depends on if an intruder finds them. I've got a small arsenal in a big floor standing safe. I'm pretty sure if someone broke in they'd find the safe, since it's the size of a fridge. If I hid the guns throughout the house, there is a better chance one or more would not be found. On the other hand, even though they can find the safe, they'd have a heck of a time hauling it out of the house.
My feeling is that if you just have a couple of guns, and they are primarily for home defense, your strategy may not include gun safes. As I said I have a safe that holds my weapons, but I also have a couple that do not live in the safe that I use for home defense. The only time the home defense weapons go in the safe is when visitors are coming over.
There are other options rather than large safes. They make inwall locking cabinets for holding shotguns that fit nicely into a stud cavity behind a door, and they make small pistol safes that pop open automatically with a fingerprint swipe or by laying a hand down on them and tapping the combination with your fingers.
Cost of the safe should have been something you considered before laying out the money for guns. Now that you have them, you need to invest what it takes to keep them safelty and responsibly.
 

yearofthenick

Active Member
SCSI, thanks for the info... Very informative. The thread was purposed to ask people how "mission critical" a gun safe was. I don't mind making an extra investment, especially for my childrens safety. I guess what I should be asking is what is the best option for me? I've googled all the different kinds of gun safes out there and have oscillated between different ideas. At first, I thoughti would get a gun cabinet for my shotgun, and a small electronic code safe for my handgun. But o purchase both would cost about $300. So I thought it might be better to find a variation of both in one safe. For $329, I can get a 10-gun safe (yes, safe, not cabinet) with a keypad for entry. Similar idea to the handgun safe in that I can get to it quick but it's still big enough to house the shotgun too. I would bolt it to the ground so it would be much harder to walk off with. Plus, it can double as an important documents safe.
I know this is the beginning of more guns down the road, so instead of making multiple purchases for gun storage each time I purchase a firearm, I want o get something that can keep me comfortable for a while.
The safe would sit in my closet, about 4 feet from my head. If someone were to come, the dog would bark, I'd hop out of bed, type in the code, pull out the gun and I'm ready to go.
Is this a good idea or am I going too McGyver here? :)
 

scsinet

Active Member
No you're not going too McGyver.
A couple thoughts... if you have two home defense weapons, having them both located in the same place may be counterproductive.
If there are more guns coming, you need to think about some advice I was given, and regrettably, didn't take.
When looking at gun safes, imagine the largest number of guns you could possibly ever have. Then, double that, and that's your safe size.
It took me all of 6 months and 2 gun shows to realize that I should have taken that advice.
If you are securing home defense weapons in the safe, then a keypad entry is an absolute 100% must. Just remember that they usually beep, so you can't open them silently.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
I've owned my shotgun for over 25 years, and my .45 for around 10. It wasn't but around a year ago that my younger daughter even knew I had the shotgun. My oldest daughter still doesn't know I have guns. I keep it tucked away in the very back of my walk-in closet behind some boxes with clothes draping over it. My youngest only saw it because I took it out to go dove hunting with a buddy. I keep the shells out in the garage in a locked cabinet. I do have a few shells hidden in my bedroom, and those are for my wife if she needs protection. Only she and I know where they are. The .45 is also hidden in a place in my bedroom that only my wife and I know about. The reason I leave my guns in these locations is simply for ease of access in case of an intruder. If I hear a breaking glass, or a door being opened in the middle of the night, I don't want to have to stumble in the dark trying to get to a gun safe, then having to remember a combination at the spur of the moment to get to my guns. Also, my wife really doesn't want a large gun safe sitting in our bedroom. Most people I know who have gun safes have them out in a living area, a garage, a game room, or study. So if someone does happen to break into their house, they may not even have access to their guns because they can't get to the room where the safe is without crossing paths with the intruder.
To have a safe or to not have one is a personal preference to me. I know guys that have safes simply because of the number of guns they do have, and how expensive they are. I have other friends that have them for the same reason you're looking at one, they have small children, and don't want to risk them accidentally getting access to them. I think it depends on the layout of your house, and whether you have adequate places to 'hide' a weapon so that no one even knows you have it unless you want them to know. You could always do what one of my friends did. He cut a hole in the wall in one of his closets, and finished it out to hold all his guns. He then installed a 'fake wall' that is actually a swing-out door. He did this by installing cedar paneling all along the wall of his closet. You would never know there was a secret storage area in the closet.
 

jj48

Member
I have two young boys that are really into hunting and shooting. Neither has fired my pistol, but the house rule is that they can hold my gun ANY time they want to, as long as I am the one that hands it to them. Of course, I have it to them unloaded after triple checking and they are not allowed to touch the trigger. My wife's brothers would always climb to the heights in the house to get her dad's LOADED gun that he forbade them from touching. Well, of course they wanted to touch it! So we do ours this way and they ask every few weeks, and they know the rules of handling firearms.
 

florida joe

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IMO a gun safe is important if you are worried about theft while you are not at home. A simple trigger lock will service when you are at home during the day. But again this is just my opinion at night I prefer to have my pistol and or shotgun loaded and chambered. The difference in time between a loaded gun and loading a gun may just save your life
 

reefraff

Active Member
I love Auto pistols because they are the easiest to kid proof. I always stored the pistol and clip where I could reach both without moving but I couldn't see both. I had the pistol on the shelf in the closet with a clip in the pocket of a coat hanging below it. Even if the kids had ever found both the odds of them being able to get the clip in, then rack the slide would have been really slim. But if I needed them I could be ready to roll in a few seconds.
Don't have kids around now so I don't worry about it but if the Grand kids are going to be around I have to round up the pistols and put them away. All the riffles are in a locked steel cabinet in a hidden room in the basement for security purposes.
I do have a wall hanger over the fireplace but it's a muzzle loader. Any kid that can figure out how to load that up is going to know how and where to shoot so that aint no thing
 

kingpin8771

Member
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3229939
Plus, if there were a break in and you weren't there, wouldn't you be worried about the intruder stealing the guns?
Gun safe dont mean they wont get stolen.My brother had a gun safe and it was fire proof and the thing was about 400 pounds.It got stolen.the only thing a gun safe is good for is keeping kids who havent been told about guns safe and protecting the guns from fire.
 

kingpin8771

Member
Oh and keeping you from your guns when someone breaks in in the middle of the night.because there is no way when someone is breaking in to your home you have a clear enough head to work a combo lock or keys in the dark.
If you have children you should teach the younger one to stay away from all guns and the older to respect firearms.before you even think about having a gun in your home.
 

tank a holic

Active Member
cant say any of the possible answers fit me, I got a gun cabinent that isn't locked (guns or ammo) and through out the house I have guns hidden
and yes most of them are loaded
(magazine, not chamber)
 

socal57che

Active Member
You can secure the safe to the structure to keep it from being stolen. Look for a safe that can be anchored. I would only use the safe when I was on vacation. The rest of the time, they are not locked up. I have an entry door lock on my bedroom. When kids come over to play, I simply move all guns to the bedroom and lock the door with the key. My kids know that guns are not toys and having a loaded gun in the room is not uncommon. Hiding guns from kids makes them mysterious. I disagree with hiding the guns from your children. They should feel comfortable, not uneasy, when they see you handle and clean them. I taught my kids how to clear a weapon early in life and that even after it's cleared, treat it as if it were loaded.
Owning a safe is almost required in Ca. The laws out here are just plain silly.
Joe, I also like to keep a round in the pipe of my Walther. The cops chased a guy through our back yard a couple years ago. When things happen, they happen fast. The guy could have easily bolted through our screen door and through the house instead of hopping the fence. Not having to rack the slide can make a difference in how close the guy gets before you are ready to fire. If you follow the rule of only pointing at something you intend to kill, I see no harm in keeping a round in the chamber. How often to cops rack the slide after drawing their weapon? They don't. There is a live round waiting in the pipe. That split second makes a difference.
 

yearofthenick

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My wife ad I both feel really at peace about it. We had discussed getting a safe even before we had thought about the idea of owning firearms. It's good to keep valuable things locked away, like important documents, family heirlooms, external hard drives with movies/etc on them. This is big enough for 10 guns, but I doubt we'll have more than 3 or 4, which means I may build some shelves on one of the sides.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/3231055
You can secure the safe to the structure to keep it from being stolen. Look for a safe that can be anchored. I would only use the safe when I was on vacation. The rest of the time, they are not locked up. I have an entry door lock on my bedroom. When kids come over to play, I simply move all guns to the bedroom and lock the door with the key. My kids know that guns are not toys and having a loaded gun in the room is not uncommon. Hiding guns from kids makes them mysterious. I disagree with hiding the guns from your children. They should feel comfortable, not uneasy, when they see you handle and clean them. I taught my kids how to clear a weapon early in life and that even after it's cleared, treat it as if it were loaded.
Owning a safe is almost required in Ca. The laws out here are just plain silly.
Joe, I also like to keep a round in the pipe of my Walther. The cops chased a guy through our back yard a couple years ago. When things happen, they happen fast. The guy could have easily bolted through our screen door and through the house instead of hopping the fence. Not having to rack the slide can make a difference in how close the guy gets before you are ready to fire. If you follow the rule of only pointing at something you intend to kill, I see no harm in keeping a round in the chamber. How often to cops rack the slide after drawing their weapon? They don't. There is a live round waiting in the pipe. That split second makes a difference.
You have kids, and you keep a round in the chamber? Sorry, but that sounds like an accident waiting to happen. One of the airman that works in my building had one of his kids almost die because of this very same scenario. He trained his kids on every aspect of gun safety, and even took them to the firing range to see how the gun was fired. His boy got hold of the gun and was playing around with it, dropped it, and it went off, shooting him in the leg. Was it a fluke? Possibly. But I'd never keep a round in the chamber, no matter how fast I'd need to arm my weapon in case an intruder comes in.
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3231145
You have kids, and you keep a round in the chamber? Sorry, but that sounds like an accident waiting to happen. One of the airman that works in my building had one of his kids almost die because of this very same scenario. He trained his kids on every aspect of gun safety, and even took them to the firing range to see how the gun was fired. His boy got hold of the gun and was playing around with it, dropped it, and it went off, shooting him in the leg. Was it a fluke? Possibly. But I'd never keep a round in the chamber, no matter how fast I'd need to arm my weapon in case an intruder comes in.
I spent 18 years in a home with a loaded 357 within reach. I never shot myself in the leg. Neither did my mom, my brothers or my sisters. Nor did any of the friends that came over to play at my house. I cannot recall any of us kids ever messing with dad's guns.
Accident's do happen, but it's a case of what the individual feels comfortable with. If you feel that your kids are too irresponsible to have a loaded weapon in the home, then by all means lock them up. If the airman's son was already handling the weapon, it was only a matter of time before he pointed it at something and squeezed the trigger. He merely sped up the process of discharging the firearm by dropping it. A weapon with a round in the chamber vs. a loaded weapon without a live round in the tube is not the issue. The issue was the kid playing with the gun. The airman may have failed to teach his son that the purpose of the gun was to kill. If you touch it, be prepared to kill something. Even when plinking and target shooting, we are killing the target. You said his boy "got hold" of the gun. It sounds like dad had hidden it, making it mysterious and sought after by the child.
Hey Nick, How about a pic of your new safe?
 
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