how long will these fish live for

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surfinusa

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how long will these fish live for dog faced puffer
clown trigger
emporer angel
black volitan lion fish
spotted eel
miniatus grouper
possibly a parrot fish maybe
 

lion_crazz

Active Member
the parrotfish will not live long at all because you (or anyone else) will not have a big enough tank with the right food source to sustain it for very long. Parrotfish need even more swimming room than tangs and their diet is almost impossible to match.
All the others should live many years if you give it the proper water quality and the correct enviroment.
 

dme

Member
Fish can live for years as there are many who kept the same reef fish for 20 years and is what`s called the true meaning for long term success for lord knows how often I spoken of this that I am sure they had their own thoughts on the issue.
Not to long ago I talk to one here (not in the forums) that it is in no way to be considered that even keeping one species for a year or so, it is still far from being totally successful.
For like myself, I am taking my time in setup of my two reef tanks as well protecting them from power surges in which I has received 8 surge boxes as well I three generators which each powers me up to 550 watts. Which few people know as well that hopefully in not more then five years down the road that I will have a home generator that will give me more then 64 amps of power (15,000 watts).
As well as tank size and that hobbyists feed their aquarium inhabitants a nutritional and a variety diet. It isn't anything in which I never had say before for here alone, how many here had the same fish even for 10-15 years? I had always said it that if the person keeping these fish do everything right by it from the very start, then perhaps you just may be amazed in how well they will do.
The other thing when the time comes, you all will know that you are doing better with your tanks for when it comes that you no longer need to test your tanks nitrites and ammonia levels after the cycling finishes for I only do these test in the setup of a new tank and if I moved a tank. And also, I wait until the cycle had completed itself in which the nitrates lowers to zero.
It was the same thing when I had my twin eel tanks moved, I not put the eels back in their tanks until all three test shown zero levels.
It never pays to be in a hurry
 

granny

Member
Thomas And I Were Having This Discussion A Week Or So Ago. We Decided We Are The Oldest Ones Around Here.
I Have Been Keeping Fish For About 45+ Years-back In The Days Of Little To No Filtration Or Mechanical Options.
Tanks Were Little Glass Jobbies With Chrome Side Strips. Saltwater Was Done In Concrete Formed Tubs With Sea Water, An Air Pump And Hose-i Kid You Not!!
Before I Moved Out Here To The Country, I Had A 90, 75, 55, 50, 29 And 20 Gallon Tanks In My Home-some Of The Fish Were Over 15 Years Old. When I Moved, A Team From The Virgina Marine Science Museum Came Out And Pickedup All My Live Rock, Fish And Inverts. They Said They Had Never Seen Such Well Kept Tanks-not Even In Their Museum-and I Did It By Conscientious Effort-not High Technology.
Paying Attention To The Condtion Of Your Livestock Daily-not Overstocking-frequent Water Changes, No Sudden Changes Of Ph, Sg Or Temperature Which Cause Stress. It Didnt Matter What I Used For Substrate, Only Had A Skimmer On One Tank, But I Babied All My Tanks.
Fish, If Cared For Will Live 12-20 Years In Our Tanks-longer, In Most Cases Than They Do In The Wild Because Of The Absence Of Predators.
Many Fish Now Are Tank Bred, In My Day They Were All Wild Caught-and Some With Horrid Methods, Like Blasting Reefs And Using Poisons. Those Days Are Gone, But We Still Need To Value Each Fish As The Treasure It Is
And Not Consider It Expendable!
 

dme

Member
Granny, Hello there to you and your friend and I no idea who is the oldest for I not been at many sites so who knows.
I guess you know that this hobby was more in bloom in Germany and so then it was here in the states? And I also forget the name of the Asian who build the first sump and this was after the skimmer came out I think for the thing be, I know of these things that happen so long ago, but I not remember the year.
I honestly don`t remember many dates. Is why when my reef tank completed that I will keep a writing record on when what coral or fish was added.
The tanks in which was here then were build quite differ from what was in the 60`s and 70`s as well today. And I know of the that back then one could done better then some Marine Science Museum for which it all depends much on how quick one learns as well in making any adjustments following a lost for back then people who did over stocked did suffer heavy losses and that it not took as long for something terrible to happen to which with the filtration people today think that they can add more and more fish to their tanks.
I did for the first 20 years in the hobby not lived far from the beach and my dad thought that it was crazy for it wasn't I think until the 60`s sometime that salt mix became available and again im not sure of the date, for all I know it was in the late 50`s.
Granny, I am not surprised for the success you had back then for it only proves that if one wants to be as successful, they must make what adjustments be needed in order to do so in which you had much patients in doing this.
I had picked my time to when it were that I start a reef tank back then for I seen so many young people come into the hobby in my first 25-30 years and had giving up because they had no success whatsoever for his what we see today, people want right away a tank loaded with fish swimming around.
Things had become quite more easier for myself when skimmers did come out and aquarium salts for perhaps you know about the books in which started coming out at your LFS that they had little to no information at all. and cost was from $5.95 to $12.95 and very few books then over $15. That those few books started to surf in like around the late 60`, and 70`s.
Granny, when like my reef tanks become ready, I tell Jeff that I like not to have tank raised species and he gives me this because I will do all my best for whatever species I have. For its the same for me with clams, I rather have fish or coral, etc.
That was with not other hobbyists, even that people said that tank raised claims will have a better chance of success, I believe this to be a miff for some people I believed they rush to much in having this ocean in their homes in which is why many become overcome by a serious of problems.
Like perhaps you Granny can confirm that what info one was able to find was little if any and I have to guess at most that even your LFS were lacking knowledge. Soon I will have a book in which cost $200 and it is info on eels in which has much info in which I been looking for, for decades on end. It lists a good number of internal infections I not know of and much more, I am worried however if this book will deliver much of what's in its index.
Nevertheless, I have to believe that it be worth the cost, even if the book delivers 3/4 of detailed information in its index. I know that at this date of time in my life, why should I spend more then $200 for some book and at my age? Also I returned the book that I bought, because Jeff had wanted to surprised me with this book and being that I bought it he then told me and so when it arrived here I had UPS return it.

Jeff knows that I am always looking for new books with detailed information and that it not matters on the cost. Eels however had been my main gig through all those years and it wasn't until 3.5-4 years ago that I made a decision that I will only have for the remaining part of life time, these eels and reef tanks.
From what I do remember, carbon was out for sometime before a skimmer and even with sea water I started a 55 gal tank for water changes and I remember for some time I only ran carbon but this was however when aquarium salt became available and I remember many saying that I was nuts doing so.
And one last thing, being that I am keeping only eel and reef tanks now, I maintain a salinity of 1.026 in all my tanks as well as when the temporarily Qt/Hospital tank, in which after the reef tanks are completed in stocking that then the 40 will as well be a small reef tank.
I am glad to see that I am not the only old timer in this such enjoying hobby :joy:
To fit in one posting, I had to cut down on the the words.
 

dme

Member
Sorry surfinusa, the spotted will live for decades and that means much longer then 20 years or 30 years for that matter.
 
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surfinusa

Guest
thats alright just about every thread gets knocked of topic eventually
and thats a long time for a fish to live :scared:
 
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surfinusa

Guest
and dme thats a long post how long did it take you to type :thinking:
 

dme

Member
surfinusa, I get a sense of hostilities form you for that post took me while off line in wordpad 3.5 hours before I had to go help some with the kids. So if it be that you not believe it at so, then fine by me, believe whatever you want for I believe the spotted moray will and could live more then 40 years and if you think not, and if it as well because nothing had lived long enough for you, then I am sorry of that and its not the fish or my fault.
 
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surfinusa

Guest
i belive you about the eel im glad im gonna have at least 1 fish that will live along time a very long time
 
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surfinusa

Guest
and thats a long time to post a post but my mom's paper before took about 5-6 hours and was a little shorter than that one but i cant wait till i can type a lot and type really really fast
 

dme

Member
I hope that you know that its all up to you in what you do for this eel in tank size, water quality and a varity/nutrishional diet.
 
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