how to calculate stand strength?

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1tang2nemo

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I'm planing on making a stand for a 75g. I see alot of examples, but no one explains how they know it will hold the weight of the aquarium. So can someone tell me how to figure the weight limit of a stand so I can have a little piece of mind. Also how much will a 75g weigh when it is filled with water and about 100lbs LR?
 

fish4ever

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Well if you figure it all in: 75 gal tank x about 8lbs per gal = 600lbs + 100lbs live rock= 700lbs - whatever the rock displaces in water (some people say it displaces the amount that it weighs/meaning: 100lbs/8lbs per gal=12.5gal) so to comfortably say a rough estimate that your stand will need to accomodate will be about 688lbs total or 114.67lbs per square foot.
 
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1tang2nemo

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thanks for the help. So how do I figure the strength of the stand I need? I plan on using 2x4's for the frame just not sure how many.
 

ameno

Active Member
when I do structural design I usually go by the old theary, when in doubt make it stout.
But you probably want to go with double 2X4's at least in the corners. take a look at the thread Diy 120 project. Tim just posted some picks on there of a frame he just built for a 80 gal.
 

turningtim

Active Member
This one?
I didn't double up anything its just straight 2x4 butt joint construction. I used 3" deck screws for the top and bottom. The legs are pinned in with #10 4" epoxy screws (counter sunk 1.5") and all the joints are water proof glued. I think this is just fine.
The shear force will be countered with the sides and the deck that is on the top/bottom (glued and screwed)
Take a look at a pre-made stand from one of the big tank companies. If theirs hold I think this will.
 

ameno

Active Member
yea that's the one. looks good and strong the way you got it built, especially when you put the outer wood on it. if it were just going to be a frame with no outer skin I would add a 2X4 going oppisite direction in the corners just to help with sway factor. but I tend to overkill on structural design anyway.
 

chadmatthewsdm

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I have built several stands, and my advice is look at the stands they sell in the stores, and feel how light the pressed board they use is... If those stands will support the weight so will one made of 2x4's... Of course I also tend to follow the over support theory... My stands are stronger than my house I think...
 
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1tang2nemo

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thanks for the reply's. I think I will copy Tim's disign and also add a 2x4 in each corner like ameno said. Also Tim is that MDF board on top and will it welt when it is wet?
 

turningtim

Active Member
The reason I didn't reinforce the sides is that I want to be able to slip the sump through the side and the side 2x4 is resting on the leg. With the added 1/2" panel I don't think it will go anywhere. But on my 120 stand I did reinforce the corners but I only used 2x1.75" (2x4 ripped in half).
Its not MDF but Particle board. After i get everything set the framing will be rough sanded and then primed and painted white. If it where bare I'd worry a bit but painted should do well.
A lot of my stuff is scrap from my shop that I'm trying use. If I were to buy it I'd go with 5/8" ply......
 
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1tang2nemo

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Thanks Tim I'm going to stain mine so I think I will go with the 5/8 ply wood.
 

jovial

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The long answer
A lot of this is determined by your design configuration. To get close to knowing the limits of a particular design or structure you first need data. You will need to know many variables including shear strength, load data and the operational environment your materials will be required to operate in. To determine accurately what your design is capable of you will need to know beforehand the safe limits of your materials and then design and build within these paramaters. This can get complex. For example, steel would give one value, soft woods such as pine or fir would give another, more dense hardwoods such as oak or maple would give another. Each of which could use a different design entirely and produce very similar results. This is why most people tend to err on the side of safety and copy an existing design or simply overbuild it. This becomes more critical when the values go up. If you really want to learn the engineering aspect of structural design I would recommend taking a look at bridge building.
The short answer
Copy an existing design.
 
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