hyposalinity and ph

jade

jade

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Terry,
ok, we figured you were right. We decided against the formalin bath and quit putting copper in. Did a major water change and put the filter back in. Anyway, our specific gravity is now. 1.010, I know you say 1.009, so is this ok? I am afraid to try to get it any lower that it might get to lower, but I will try if you think it is necessary. and now Ph, of course now that we have hyposalinity our ph is way low. Do you have a good way to bring it up. That ph up stuff doesn't really seem to help or the two brands of buffers we have tried. Any suggestions helpful. :) How long should we keep the tank with hyposalinity? Does the ick not like the salinity that low and thats what kills them? After the fish is cured, and we bring the salinity back up in the QT tank, will there still be ick in there? Sorry about so many questions. New at this and trying to learn as much as we can. we have been reading the other threads and getting much info from them. thank You....
 
gemmy

gemmy

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I don't know if the lower salinity is what ich doesn't like because ich also affects freshwater fish.

Freshwater ich and marine ich are two separate strains of ich.
 
S

saxman

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To go one further, they aren't even in the same genus.
FW Ich: Ichthyophthirius multifiliis
SW Ich: Cryptocarion irritans
Here's a good article on ******:
http://www.lionfishlair.com/ich/ich.shtml
The reason hypo works is it upsets the osmoregulation of the pathogen, which is a ciliated protozoan and either kills it outright or prevents it from propagating.
We have used hypo on many occasions, and at SG 1.09, if you can get the pH up to 8.0 you're doing really well. We've been using Reef Buffer (IIRC its made by Kent), but it's just the same stuff we use to buffer all of our water.
There are however, some resistant strains of ****** that have been successfully treated with quinine-based meds.
HTH
 
mr. limpid

mr. limpid

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Just a note SG needs to be 1.009 or lower but not higher, higher will not do the job. Also you are using a refractor meter to measure salinity? Swing arm type are not good. If you read the threads at the top of this form they will answer all your questions about hypo treatment and life of ick and how hypo kills them.
 
kiefers

kiefers

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Quote:
Originally Posted by saxman http:///forum/thread/38604/hyposalinity-and-ph#post_3395546
To go one further, they aren't even in the same genus.
FW Ich: Ichthyophthirius multifiliis
SW Ich: Cryptocarion irritans
Here's a good article on ******:
http://www.lionfishlair.com/ich/ich.shtml
The reason hypo works is it upsets the osmoregulation of the pathogen, which is a ciliated protozoan and either kills it outright or prevents it from propagating.
We have used hypo on many occasions, and at SG 1.09, if you can get the pH up to 8.0 you're doing really well. We've been using Reef Buffer (IIRC its made by Kent), but it's just the same stuff we use to buffer all of our water.
There are however, some resistant strains of ****** that have been successfully treated with quinine-based meds.
HTH
when I did my hypo the pH would on occation drop, I used backing soda to SLOWLY raise the pH. What ever you do, do not raise the pH to quickly or you will shock your critters, pending on the measurement of the PH, raise over a 24 to 48 hour time... JMO
 
kiefers

kiefers

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while doing hypo there are two parameters you really need to focus on here. 1) is the ammonia spikes you may get, and 2) the Ph. both can and will harm your critters if not caught or monitored at least 2 times a day. For pH, you can use buffers or baking soda. Keep in mind though that pending on your measurement you will need to bring it back up SLOWLY, like over a 24 to 48 hour period. Raising it to quickly will indeed harm or kill your fish due to shock.
This site is a bit monotonous, but take a look at it and it may help you understand pH a tad better.... JMO
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-09/rhf/index.php
 
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