I need help cycling my new tank

Hello im am very new to the hobby.
I have a 90 gallon tank. I have an undergravel fileter and a canister filter. I need help on cycling it in. Ive read the books n they tell me to add live rock n small amounts of fish, and some people told me to add shrimp? I am getting very confused and would like some help. They also mentioned something about a clean up crew? Help me plz.
 

wablondie98664

Active Member
to start the cycle all you have to do is throw a raw cocktail shrimp in to start the ammonia. total cycyling time can last 4-6 weeks. you'll need a test kit to test ammonia nitrite nitrate and ph. when ammonia and nitrite have spiked and gone back down to 0 then you can add a clean up crew of snails and crabs. btw welcome to the boards.
 

tdragon

Member
i second what wablondie98664 said just throw a raw shrimp in to start the cycle also welcome to the board
 

foxface402

Member
first of all no undergavels system. use about 3 inches of live sand not cc. Buy much of your live rock as you can afford now. add your sand set up your rock make sure your salinty is around the .124 area add your raw shrimp for two to three weeks and remove it. Temp around 80degrees and alot of water movement. This will take about a month. hopes this helps
 

blu-thang

Member
I will try to help,First I recommend to get a wet dry filter for your tank if you have not done so, it will save you alot of money in the long run second start with Damsels Maybe 4 no more.and let nature take its course it will take about a month. check water quality every week. Good luck:cool:
 

wablondie98664

Active Member
using damsels is not necessary. cycling a tank is very stressfull on any fish and will most likely cause it's death. a raw shrimp will work just fine.
 

ty_05_f

Active Member
I dissagree with the wet-dry filter. Instead of that a sump and refugium would be great. First I would take the under gravel filter and crushed coral out and put in a Deep Sand Bed. The reason is all of these create alot of Nitrate. When you get a DSB then start getting the rock. You can add the rock slowly over time if money is an issue. If not i would go ahead and get about 1 or 2lbs of rock per gallon.
 

ty_05_f

Active Member
O to cycle the tank use shrimp that way the fish won't have to go through the torture of dealing with all the ammonia and nitrites.
 
thank you all. I think Ill try the shrimp. If I add more then 1 shrimp will the bacteria build up in a greater quantity? As for the filtration system im using i would like to thank you for all ur opinions and advice but i think Ill stick with the undergravel and canister filter and later on ill add a protein scimmer. Do you think this filtration setup will be sufficient?
 

ty_05_f

Active Member
personally, since your not too far along i would switch it out. Your looking at a nitrate factory, but there are people that do it successfully.
 

blu-thang

Member
Tank Cycle Instructions
Set up tank with substrate and any base rock, or uncured live rock if you are going to cure it at this time. Also hook up your heater as well. At this time, do not put cured live rock in the tank. The object is to completely cycle with no die off on live rock. Add about two or three DEAD cocktail-sized shrimp for every 50 gallons of water. The shrimp can be raw or cooked. Keep good water movement in the tank by using powerheads. Circulation is important. If you are using a canister filter/other filter with bio-media, turn that on after about three days. If you are using a protein skimmer, turn that on after 10 days. This will allow excellent decay and ensure that you effectively peak your ammonia cycle.
After two weeks, the ammonia should peak and nitrites should be starting to rise. In simple
terms, the ammonia converts to nitrite, and then the nitrite to nitrate. Four weeks after you start the cycle, the nitrite should be peaking, and starting to fall. You should now start picking up your nitrate readings. Nitrate is not fatal in the same ppm range like ammonia and nitrite is. However, this applies mainly to fish. Corals, for example, are far more sensitive to nitrate than are fish. However, it is desirable to keep nitrates as low as possible even in a fish-only environment. Water additions and changes generally remove your nitrates, and over time a biological filter can be built up which will break down nitrates as well. Spent gases are released through the surface exchange, which is made much more efficient by using a powerhead to break the surface. After about six weeks, you should have a completed cycle, and now is the time to introduce waste-producing organisms (fish) to maintain that cycle. Also, if you now add your cured live rock, you will not have an ammonia spike killing off beneficial life. Some begin their tank cycle
with non-cured live rock, and in the process effectively “cure” the rock. However, I recommend the shrimp even in that situation as it produces an excellent amount of decay and boosts the
ammonia to start the most effective cycle. One thing you do not want to experience is adding a fish to a tank you “thought” was cycled with live rock only to have another ammonia spike with potential fatal results. This would be the case particularly if the life rock you cycled with did not produce sufficient die-off to peak your initial ammonia-nitrite-nitrate cycle.
On a side note, this will be when your tank smells it worse, and potentially looks its worse. You still might experience your brown diatom outbreaks and possibly at least one red-slime algae outbreak. This is all natural and no sign of poor husbandry. Your tank must “get worse” to “get
better”. This is why allowing sufficient time to cycle is so critical.
AS A DISCLAIMER: There are MANY ways to cycle a tank, this is just a tried and proven way to get the results of a complete cycle. There are variations on the methods described above. Some people DO cycle with live rock. There is no one “right” way to cycle, but several proven methods. This is one such method that will get your start in the hobby off in the right direction. You will learn the patience of not adding fish prematurely, and hopefully take the 6 weeks cycle time to do some informative research and general reading in the hobby. You will find that after your tank is cycled and you have spent that time reading, you will attain a secure level of comfort that you “have an idea what this is all about.” This is the most important time you invest in the hobby, for it will dictate whether you nurture your passion for marine aquaria, or become frustrated with “too many problems.” Again, this is not the “only” way to cycle a tank, just one of the most thorough. Too many people lose expensive livestock by rushing their start in the hobby.
Patience is a virtue, and if you can’t “hang on” for six weeks, it is a good indication of which way you will go in the hobby. As you gain experience, you will find that you can “instantly”
set up a fully cycled tank by using water/substrate/liverock/bio-filtration from an established tank. Don’t confuse this method with a brand new tank, brand new water, brand new
rock, etc.
Good luck, have patience, research every fish/coral/invert you purchase and you will find the rewards of this hobby are nonstop. From personal satisfaction to friends/family marveling at your tank, you will feel a personal sense of success and satisfaction that comes only when you “do it
right.”
Unfortunately, you will lose fish. It is your responsibility to make sure you don’t act in such a way as to promote stressed/diseased/dead fish. That is the difference between a marine
hobbyist and a person with a saltwater tank. Always ask questions, always get many opinions, and have enough of a foundation to sort through and make your own rational decisions. And remember, when you think you know just about everything, its time to crack some new books
because aspects are changing constantly and nobody I know has EVER mastered this hobby. I hope this helps out some newcomers to the hobby with questions about cycling. This method is in my opinion the way to go over using live fish and subjecting them to the burning of ammonia and potential death therein. Keep a log of your ammonia-nitrite-nitrate levels as you progress and you will see the closed-system eco-cycle unfold before your eyes. You will also accurately
determine when the correct time is to add fish. Six weeks is the general approximation, but can vary depending on every tank setup, and filtration methods used. Happy fishing all, and welcome to the most stressful, peaceful, agonizing and fulfilling hobbies I know of!!
 
wow thank u for that. U should write a book i mean upracticly did.
Needless to say ur hand probably just fell off and is floping around on the ground from all that typing but i do apreciate it greatly
 

spencka

Member
To: Blu Thang
First let me say, excellent post! Now my question. you recommend not using LR during your cycle, and only after your tank completes it's cycle would you add the LR. Why doesn't this hold true for LS, or does it?
At this point I don't have a tank, but I am researching in preparation for my first, hopefully by Christmas!
Thanks again for the great post!
Steve P.
 

blu-thang

Member
guys,its a big difference. Do a search by hitting the icon way on top of this page.;) Nite all......Man my hand hurts.............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:eek:
 
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