ick again after hypo

[dbestnindy]

This is what I copied from Beth's thread on hypo...
Your display will now have been fishless for at least four weeks, sufficient time to allow the parasite’s life cycle to be interrupted. ****** is an obligate parasite that requires a fish host. No fish=No host=No parasite. Ich is a fish-only parasite, it will not affect inverts.
I did this plus one week to be sure. I started on 4/11 on hypo on put them back on 5/17. Only 5 days after they are back in DT the hippo has an ich spot. Only one but i am sure there will be more to come. I am using my QT for some sand I acquired so it really isn't a qt right now. I am just beside myself of what to do. I am thinking about just leaving them to see how they do. Is this a fatal decision? I checked the salinity everyday so there is no chance I messed up on that. I put a piece of tape on the glass to be sure the water loss was kept up on.

The fish in the tank (if it matters)
2 clown
1 hippo
4 chromis
1 yellow eye kole tang
1 coral beauty
1 neon dottyback

 

[dbestnindy]

Just wondering if I could use the qt with the sand in it for hypo. It is not live sand, I just didn't want it to go bad. I just checked the water in qt and it everything is good except for the nitrates are 5.0. I am making some water to do a water change in case I need to use this tank. I think it has been about 5 days since I added the sand so I am not sure if the parameters would change. I sure wish I hadn't gotten that hippo!

 

[beth]

You can use the QT with the sand.
You can't rely on tape on the glass to give you a reliable salinity reading. You need to test the salinity daily. What were you using to measure salinity?

 

[dbestnindy]

I was using a refractometer. I didn't just use the tape, I also checked it. I kept it at .009. Anyway, do you think I would have an ammonia spike with the new (used sand) or should I wait a few more days and test the water in qt? Is this something the hippo is going to have? If so, I would just as soon not have it.

 

[deejeff442]

i was just going to post what a crock hypo is.
i just got done with it and also kept the salt down an extra 4 or 5 days.
just finished bringing up the salt 4 days ago and today ich on my achilles and fowleri.
i checked the salinity everyday sometimes twice .1.008-1.009
i have been doing this along time and always used copper with great sucess.
wanted to try hypo.
no more ,it might work on fish with scales but not tangs.
i have read a few post of people that got ich back right after they raised the salinity.i think the ich goes dorment in the low salt then wakes up right after it is raised.
the "experts" can say all they want i am not impressed with hypo.
i am going to get some copper today and use something i know works.
mine is a fowlr so i should have known better after reading the other posts.
almost 6 weeks of looking at an empty tank just to start over
copper 3 weeks done.

 

[al mc]

Originally Posted by deejeff442
http:///forum/post/3049006
i was just going to post what a crock hypo is.
i just got done with it and also kept the salt down an extra 4 or 5 days.
just finished bringing up the salt 4 days ago and today ich on my achilles and fowleri.
i checked the salinity everyday sometimes twice .1.008-1.009
i have been doing this along time and always used copper with great sucess.
wanted to try hypo.
no more ,it might work on fish with scales but not tangs.
i have read a few post of people that got ich back right after they raised the salinity.i think the ich goes dorment in the low salt then wakes up right after it is raised.
the "experts" can say all they want i am not impressed with hypo.
i am going to get some copper today and use something i know works.
mine is a fowlr so i should have known better after reading the other posts.
almost 6 weeks of looking at an empty tank just to start over
copper 3 weeks done.
I am no expert, but do feel that hyposalinity works well in almost all instances and is safer than copper. Copper does appear to work 'better' than
hyposalinity based on the experiences of people who post on this site but use of heavy metals versus osmotic gradients is riskier.
Personally, I use hyposalinity on all new fish arrivals. Only once have I seen
what I feel was Ich develop when raising the salinity...a hippo tang...I used cupramine (copper) and eliminated it from what I could tell. Just another person's experience.

 

[mantisman51]

While I can't share deefs vitriole for hypo, I am equally disappointed at the return of ****** today. I have had my fish in hypo 1.008-1.009 for 4 weeks yesterday, checked morning and afternoon with a calibrated refractometer. I started raising the sg yesterday by .002 to 1.010. The yellow tang is the only fish to show ******, so far today. I am going to continue slowly raising the sg and add formulin-rid ich. Hypo worked well last time, and I was even more diligent on maintaining the sg this go-round. I guess in nature unusual events take place. I would, unlike deef apparently, give hypo a first try again next time. I really do dislike using such toxic chemicals on the fish.

 

[deejeff442]

like i said i think hypo doesnt work.
i do have a shallow sand bed 1 inch but according to beths post that is fine.
maybe it works in a qt with a glass bottom.but i think the ich survives by going dorment in the sand.
you do realize most fish stores have copper in thier tanks of course not the ones with corals but when you see the stores with just plastic decorations and glass bottoms you can bet there is copper in there.
as long as the copper is measured it wont harm the fish (puffers excluded)
but i see alot of people do the hypo and the ich comes right back after the salt is raised.
imo ich is always presant just like cancer to us it can come up anytime.
keep the fish healthy and it will usually go away.
i qt my angel and fowleri for 6 weeks then added them to the dt boom ich.
it happens.
my ich that just returned hasnt spread like last time and the fish are healthy .
so i just went and picked up 4 cleaner shrimp to try before i take out the 300 lbs of rock again and copper.

 

[al mc]

Originally Posted by deejeff442
http:///forum/post/3049121
like i said i think hypo doesnt work.
i do have a shallow sand bed 1 inch but according to beths post that is fine.
maybe it works in a qt with a glass bottom.but i think the ich survives by going dorment in the sand.
you do realize most fish stores have copper in thier tanks of course not the ones with corals but when you see the stores with just plastic decorations and glass bottoms you can bet there is copper in there.
as long as the copper is measured it wont harm the fish (puffers excluded)
but i see alot of people do the hypo and the ich comes right back after the salt is raised.
imo ich is always presant just like cancer to us it can come up anytime.
keep the fish healthy and it will usually go away.Sorry, can't let people think it is just like cancer..Ich is parasitic and has a defined life cycle. There may in fact be some strains of Ich that are resistent to the osmotic pressure gradient treatment known as hypo(salinity) but it is a parasite and cancer is a problem with uncontrolled cell division and cancer is not always present within us
i qt my angel and fowleri for 6 weeks then added them to the dt boom ich.
it happens.
my ich that just returned hasnt spread like last time and the fish are healthy .
so i just went and picked up 4 cleaner shrimp to try before i take out the 300 lbs of rock again and copper.
I am sorry that the parasite returned after the time/effort you put into hypo and leaving the DT fallow..it is frustrating..I have been there...hope the copper works for you..I would suggest Cupramine. good luck

 

[deejeff442]

yea thats what i bought.
i put 4 cleaner shrimp in today and they went right at the fish.
untill i looked an hour later and saw some anttena floating.
f'ing bluethroat trigger ,so much for reef safe.
i put him in the sump and can only find two shrimp.
if the fish look worse tomarrow i will have to copper.
usually the fish will fight it off .
i cant tell you how mad i am about listing to the "experts" instead of doing what i know works.
what i meant refering to cancer was we all have it some more as hereditary but dont know what kicks it off.
didnt mean it was the same type. sorry