Ick Myth Or Fact? Everyone Please

I have done some reading the past few days due to i have had a on going ick problem for the past few mo and i thought i got rid of the problem and started over but now i got ick again so i want to know,
Is there such thing as a ick free tanks?
So if i put my fish in hypo for 8wks and never add anything to my tank besides ro/di water and flake food this is no chance they can ever get ick again right?
I just want to know i have read both ways and want to see what everyone has to say about this! Thanks
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Ich is a parasite with a known life cycle.
Yes, you can absolutely, no question, no debate, run an ich free tank.
 

al mc

Active Member
No question with proper QT procedures and/or proper treatment if you did get it in the tank. Journey is nearly always correct
..and he is this time as well....known life cycle, known treatment proticols=Ich free tank.
 

m0nk

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2510616
Ich is a parasite with a known life cycle.
Yes, you can absolutely, no question, no debate, run an ich free tank.

The only people who I've seen argue that ich is always present usually change their tune after reading the proven data on the parasite.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
If you do not introduce ich in your display, then you can and will have an ich free tank. Basically, quarantine is the correct procedure to ensure that ich will never enter your tank.
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Also, remember that fish are not the only things that need to be quarantined. ALL purchases need to be quarantined to eliminate the risk of bringing parasites into the tank. Don't use nets in an infected tank and then use them in the display without allowing them to thoroughly dry. Think of your display as a sterile environment.
 

m0nk

Active Member
Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2511044
Also, remember that fish are not the only things that need to be quarantined. ALL purchases need to be quarantined to eliminate the risk of bringing parasites into the tank. Don't use nets in an infected tank and then use them in the display without allowing them to thoroughly dry. Think of your display as a sterile environment.

Yes, please listen to this, I have had the experience here.... incoming coral brought in ich... not fun.
 
i had 3 disagree would you like to explain please?
I never have luck with qt, I have to change 5 gallons of water everyday to keep everything at like 50 witch is no good for the fish, Also i dont have the room nor the time so i want to make sure if i go though all this salt and time is it really worth it?
I have been doing this for a long time and never had a problem really intil we got the puffer that thing would get ick every 3mo for the 2yrs we had him, Now that i got rid of him we got a hippo tang to start figured that would be the first to get ick if it was a problem, waited about a wk with no sign of ick then bought 2 clown fish and bam 3 days later ick showed up on the hippo, The tanks where in qt copper for over a mo at the lfs that you can really trust! Belive it or not they mark the dates on the tank and treat all fish with copper! Really great store!
So i dont know if the clowns had it or the hippo just starting showing? I have been feeding heavy and added fresh garlic but i still see about 2=5 spot each day so i dont know what to do!
Part of me wants to go buy every fish i want and qt them in the main tank after removing everything and make it a 1x thing and with 55 gallons im sure the water would be more stable the other wants to give up and a part of me wants to just keep feeding and see where it goes but i have a feeling that it will just come back when i get another fish!
I cant beleive all of you qt fish for 6wks how do you afford the salt? Do i do somthing wrong? I have a 10 gallon with 2 power filters and put 1-2 rocks into the tank, i use my tank water and keep chaning it with fresh with a little salt for a buffer and the ammonia, nitries, and ever nitrates get out of control!!!! im talking like 3-4 shades down the test!
I guess i am looking for feedback now on qt tanks, I just hate to do this and 3mo later i get ick again for no reason, I understand everything will need to be qt even crabs ect but i just have a feeling ick will never go away period?
I kept many tank and fish and never had problems before over the past 6yrs intil i got that puffer!
Oh yea my tank is a 55 gallon over 100lb of rock, 4 power heads flipping the water about 18x a hr, remora pro skimmer mag 3, 1-2 inches of sand, Some crabs and snails, Cleaner shrimp, 2x peperments, 3 starfish, brittle, serpent, chip, Also i have 2 mushrooms, and some green star grass i forget the name i just call it grass lol, But my chip star keeps eatting it he needs to go!~
Should i start a new post somwhere else to get help on a qt or is this okay?
 

m0nk

Active Member
Originally Posted by alfieferenzo84
http:///forum/post/2512244
i had 3 disagree would you like to explain please?
I never have luck with qt, I have to change 5 gallons of water everyday to keep everything at like 50 witch is no good for the fish, Also i dont have the room nor the time so i want to make sure if i go though all this salt and time is it really worth it?
I have been doing this for a long time and never had a problem really intil we got the puffer that thing would get ick every 3mo for the 2yrs we had him, Now that i got rid of him we got a hippo tang to start figured that would be the first to get ick if it was a problem, waited about a wk with no sign of ick then bought 2 clown fish and bam 3 days later ick showed up on the hippo, The tanks where in qt copper for over a mo at the lfs that you can really trust! Belive it or not they mark the dates on the tank and treat all fish with copper! Really great store!
So i dont know if the clowns had it or the hippo just starting showing? I have been feeding heavy and added fresh garlic but i still see about 2=5 spot each day so i dont know what to do!
Part of me wants to go buy every fish i want and qt them in the main tank after removing everything and make it a 1x thing and with 55 gallons im sure the water would be more stable the other wants to give up and a part of me wants to just keep feeding and see where it goes but i have a feeling that it will just come back when i get another fish!
I cant beleive all of you qt fish for 6wks how do you afford the salt? Do i do somthing wrong? I have a 10 gallon with 2 power filters and put 1-2 rocks into the tank, i use my tank water and keep chaning it with fresh with a little salt for a buffer and the ammonia, nitries, and ever nitrates get out of control!!!! im talking like 3-4 shades down the test!
I guess i am looking for feedback now on qt tanks, I just hate to do this and 3mo later i get ick again for no reason, I understand everything will need to be qt even crabs ect but i just have a feeling ick will never go away period?
I kept many tank and fish and never had problems before over the past 6yrs intil i got that puffer!
Oh yea my tank is a 55 gallon over 100lb of rock, 4 power heads flipping the water about 18x a hr, remora pro skimmer mag 3, 1-2 inches of sand, Some crabs and snails, Cleaner shrimp, 2x peperments, 3 starfish, brittle, serpent, chip, Also i have 2 mushrooms, and some green star grass i forget the name i just call it grass lol, But my chip star keeps eatting it he needs to go!~
Should i start a new post somwhere else to get help on a qt or is this okay?
To touch on a few of your concerns:
If a QT is cycled properly you shouldn't have too many issues with parameters. It's not really a lot of salt that you're going through considering the QT doesn't need to be the same size as your DT. Besides, if you save your fish from ich, it is worth it in the end.
When you initially get ich and QT all the fish, yes you'll have an extreme bioload and may need to keep an eye on the levels. But, if you QT all incoming fish, you should only have one fish in the QT at a time, then when it's done with QT and added to the DT, then you can get another fish and QT that one, and so on. Doing this prevents ich from even getting into your system.
Don't QT in your main tank, if you have inverts, because getting them out and dealing with ich in that way is rather painful and you'll likely have more trouble than it's worth. The live sand and/or live rock won't survive through that process and though you can get your live rock out and put that into another tank, your sand is a different story. The other thing there is that you can't use copper in your DT, otherwise you'll never be able to keep inverts in there again.
If you QT everything, properly, you won't have to deal with it in 3 months again. Best of luck!
 

suzy

Member
I voted no. I want to add a caveat, though. I think it is near impossible for the average hobbyist to prevent an opportunistic infection. I have seen too many tanks get a parasite (not just Ick) when the owner has been diligent. And, can the average hobbyist really quarantine every new purchase for 8 weeks without getting severe AITP and not add anything to that tank? Because then the 8 weeks starts over.
Plus, having a quarantine tank cycled, ready and healthy is just calling out to be a specimen tank.
 

m0nk

Active Member
Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2512490
Plus, having a quarantine tank cycled, ready and healthy is just calling out to be a specimen tank.
This is why I didn't QT my hippo when I first got her. I'll never do that one again.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by alfieferenzo84
http:///forum/post/2512244
i had 3 disagree would you like to explain please?..
I would like to see that as well.
Years ago hobbyists were under the false impression that ich was an infection. That lead to people believing any aquarium could get it. That belief somehow warped into the belief that all fish carry the ich parasite.
As I said, Ich is a parasite. What are the odds of setting up an aquarium, letting it sit for a couple of weeks, and suddenly having a Lionfish appear in it? The same thing applies to Ich. It cannot simply "appear" in a tank. It must be introduced. If it must be introduced then it can be prevented from being introduced, as we know it's life cycle.
 

suzy

Member
Originally Posted by m0nk
http:///forum/post/2512508
This is why I didn't QT my hippo when I first got her. I'll never do that one again.
My quarantine tank is now a dwarf seahorse tank! And, all my fish type tanks have cleaner and peppermint shrimp, tons of biodiversity and a few aiptasia here and there. Had red bugs for a while, had some really evil manjanos, and an interesting run with Asparagopsis taxiformis
. In theory, quarantine is best practice, IMO. To me, there are pro and cons for and against quarantine. It is up to the individual hobbyist to find what is best for her.
 

jtrzerocool

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2512574
I would like to see that as well.
Years ago hobbyists were under the false impression that ich was an infection. That lead to people believing any aquarium could get it. That belief somehow warped into the belief that all fish carry the ich parasite.
As I said, Ich is a parasite. What are the odds of setting up an aquarium, letting it sit for a couple of weeks, and suddenly having a Lionfish appear in it? The same thing applies to Ich. It cannot simply "appear" in a tank. It must be introduced. If it must be introduced then it can be prevented from being introduced, as we know it's life cycle.
i have a question for you journey...how long does it take for your tank to be concidered ick "free"...i have never had and signs of ick in my tank and it has been set up for about 2 years now...although i just added a new fish 5 days ago without QT'ing...so basically my question is: when do i have to stop looking for ick if i dont add anything else and i never have any signs of ick?
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
http:///forum/post/2512791
i have a question for you journey...how long does it take for your tank to be concidered ick "free"...i have never had and signs of ick in my tank and it has been set up for about 2 years now...although i just added a new fish 5 days ago without QT'ing...so basically my question is: when do i have to stop looking for ick if i dont add anything else and i never have any signs of ick?

In theory? You can never be 100% safe unless you are treating all fish with hypo in QT before introducing and QTing all inverts/corals, etc.
There is some evidence that Ich strains die out in captivity around a year if no new parasites are introduced into the tank.
The issue is Ich can/often does host under the operculums of fish. So your fish could be infected and not showing visible signs.
 

jtrzerocool

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2513113
In theory? You can never be 100% safe unless you are treating all fish with hypo in QT before introducing and QTing all inverts/corals, etc.
There is some evidence that Ich strains die out in captivity around a year if no new parasites are introduced into the tank.
The issue is Ich can/often does host under the operculums of fish. So your fish could be infected and not showing visible signs.
so...my fish could "technically" die of ick and never have any visable signs? or will ick show its self before the fish dies because it gets week and loses its slime coat?
 

al mc

Active Member
Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
http:///forum/post/2513137
so...my fish could "technically" die of ick and never have any visable signs? or will ick show its self before the fish dies because it gets week and loses its slime coat?
Yes that is correct. It could affect the gills only which you may not see and the fish would die from lack of oxygen or a secondary bacterial/fungal infection.
 
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