I'm getting a digitial SLR camera - Help

maxalmon

Active Member
I'm finally going to to chuck the sony onto the pile of cameras in the back of my closet and get a digital SLR. I'm kinda leaning towards the Rebel XTi, but have no idea what lens would be the best, then again I have no idea what camera is better either....Anyone have experience with the digital SLR's or have thoughts on a good camera, this may take me a while to make a decision as they are a little bit more expensive than I thought.
 

michael r

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For a first DSLR, your best choice is to spend a part of your budget on the camera itself, and another part of it on a good lens.
Almost every DSLR out on the market is great, as long as you have a good lens to go with it
. Obvisouly, which brand you merry into will determine the quality of lenses available to you. You can't go wrong with Nikon or Canon.
The 18-55mm lens that is included with most kits is just junk. You could purchase just the body of the SLR (without any lens included), and you can save yourself some $100-200 which can be put towards purchasing a good lens.
I don't know what your primary interest in buying this camera is, whether fish photography or a general all-around camera. This will be important in deciding which lens(es) are best for you.
If you are on a tight budget, and you go with Canon, you can go ahead and for a measly $100 purchase a good 50mm lens. It won't give you macro capabilities, nor any flexibility as a zoom lens, but it's as sharp as some of their thousand-dollar lenses, and is great for portrait shots (of people).
Depending on what size the fish you are photographing are, you may or may not want to look into a dedicated macro lens.
They are usually more expensive, but give extremely sharp photos and can focus up really close to the subject (useful for small subjects). They range from $300 and up.
Obviously there are several choices in macro lenses as well, but that choice would depend on how much room you have between yourself and the subject (i.e. maybe you have a very deep tank where you want to photograph reclusive fish, or a small 20 gallon with active, in-your-face fish).
I use a Nikon D70s along with a 60mm macro lens. I bought the camera with the 18-70mm kit lens (which is actually considered quite good), and photographed fish using that for a while, but after switching over to a macro lens, WOW! The subject is so much larger, and the tiniest details are very sharp.
Realistically, you WANT to have a good lens, because if you stick with the 18-55mm lens, it's doubtful that you'll see much difference in your photos from the point-and-shoot Sony. And unless you're using the manual controls on the DSLR, you've just got a big, bulky P&S.
I've just briefly skimmed over most things here, and I understand this may be a lot of confusing stuff. I encourage you to seek out other sites that are much more into photography as well as the photography of fish. They will help you out greatly.
Of course, if you wanted to significantly improve your fish photographs you could look into a remote flash unit, but that's whole different story...
 

marka1620

Member
Congrats...like the post stated. Nikon or Canon....you can't go wrong. I own the Nikon D70 and love it. Once you decide....pick up some good glass.
I will probably upgrade my body in a few yrs. IMO....camera bodies come and go....lenses are forever. When I eventually upgrade. I can use all my existing lenses.
Good forums for cameras
http://forums.dpreview.com
 

maxalmon

Active Member
Michael, thank you for the very informative response. Looks like I have some homework to do.
I've pretty much learned that the lens with most kits are junk and had decided on buying a body and then a lens. The use will be for coral and thats about it, I have enough other cameras laying around that I can use them for other activities. I just need the camera to take great closeup macro shots and maybe full frame 18" away shots, I'm more concerned with detail and color. Would you consider the XTi a good, mid range camera. I'm trying to keep this around $800
 

05xrunner

Active Member
well it all depends on what you wanna use it for..if you just want it for tank shots..I would get a macro lens with it.
I had the old Rebel XT while back but since then i upgraded to the 30D...The body is only about 30% of the IQ..the Lens is MUCH more important. Dont cheap out there.
Sigma 17-70 is a killer walk around lens and gives you a good 1:2.8 mag ratio. So it will get u nice almost macro shots..they run about $300
XTi is a great cam. IQ is good, ISO performance is AWESOME..Canon is GREAT when it comes to ISO.
Look at this shot I took of my dog with my Sigma 10-20 at ISO 3200

You cant even see the Noise. Wouldnt get that kind of performance with any other camera. The XTi only goes to ISO 1600 but its still GREAT at low noise..You cant go wrong with canon.
remember..Camera bodies come and go..But the lens will LAST for a LONG time. the XTi is a great starter body. I spent a little on bodies..Yet I have spent about 3-4x that on lens for that body.
 

maxalmon

Active Member
Great photo....I kinda have enough experience with other SLR cameras that I realize how important the lens is, which lens would you get for my situtation. Just for tank shots, that it, but I want great quality.
 

05xrunner

Active Member
well just for tanks...macro would be GREAT...but you wont want to be limited really if u want to use it on other outings.
My 2nd choice for a good lens that can be used for a walk around and GREAT tank shots would be that Sigma 17-70...it has GREAT IQ and wont disappoint you
 

michael r

Member
Yes, as said before, the XTi is a great camera!
I'm not too experienced in the Canon line of lenses, but I've checked that they do put out a standard 50mm f1.8 or f1.4 lens as well as a 50mm f2.5 macro lens. If you can afford it (it's not very expensive), I would definately purchase the 50mm f2.5 macro
lens. I believe that their 50mm macro lens is the cheapest one.
This, along with the Canon Digital Rebel XTi, should produce very nice macro photographs of corals.
Actually, the XTi is considered an entry-level DSLR. A mid-level camera would be the 30D, or the D200 for Nikon.
 

05xrunner

Active Member
ehh I wouldnt reccomend the 50mm macro. You have to get MUCH closer to get the 1:1 magnification. If your shooting in your tank you will not be able to get any closer then your glass. If you do go macro I wouldnt get anything under 100mm
great Macro lens you can go for are Canon 100mm, Tokina 100mm, Tamron 90mm, Sigma 105mm
But I still wouldnt buy that as your only lens. i would get something that you can use for all kinda other everyday stuff if you want plus great tank pics..Like the 17-70
 

michael r

Member
Very true.
However, the 50mm is a hundred dollars cheaper than the 90-105mm macro lenses (I'm pretty sure), which matters if you're on a budget, and as long as you're not looking for abstract coral photographs, the 50mm should suit you fine.
 

maxalmon

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Geez this is a learning experience! I think I've finally settled on the Nikon D80, seems like a great camera.
Lens are another story, here are the ones I've kinda picked out.
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Nikon 24-85mm f2.8
Nikon 35-70mm f2.8
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which one would you guys go with? Or is there another Nikon lens that would be better, all I want to do is take good pics of my corals. I'll get other lens latter on.
 

nycbob

Active Member
i hv the canon rebel xti too. i love the camera since siwtching to it 1 year ago. a god lens can easily cost between $500-1000. the L-series r the best. canon lens retains their values very good. u can always trade in ur lens when upgrading.
 

maxalmon

Active Member
Other half got me the Nikon D200
with a 18-200mm lens. Not the best lens for what I want to do, but I can get a better lens later this week....Figured that I would need to play around with the camer and then I could make a calculated decision on what would be the best lens for my needs, found 1 lens that I wanted but it was like a grand
I was pushing my luck with the D200 camera, so I didn't beg or whine too much about not getting the macro lens...LOL
Camera should arrive on Thu or Fri, I'll post some pics once I figure out how to use the camera LOL.....
 

maxalmon

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Just talked to customer service and the balsted camera body is backorded 5-7 weeks....This totally blows....It's a rock botom price so I guess this is the price you pay for getting it cheap.
 

maxalmon

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Ah crap....Can't believe that I didn't do the research and got wrapped up in the great price....Just cancelled my CC as the info was already sent...1st flag should have been the $835 price for D200 and the lens....I even called them before hand to verify that items were new and had manufactures warranty blah blah blah... I'm usually a tough person when it comes to financial issues and consider myself to be brutal in terms of investmenting, not getting taken advantage of etc.....Man I got wrapped up in just wanting that camera,....Otherhalf is gona use this as ammo against me for years and who knows what I'm gona have to do to get the camera at regular retail price...This blows
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Heres the link to the BBB report on the site I orderd from, almost as bad as the one you posted
 

reefer545

Member
you want help. Send it to me. I ll show ya how to do it.
But really. Get a 15 or 16 mm lense. Its what photographers call a "fisheye". If you can find less than 15 mm get that. Shortest focal length with most peripheral view. Perfect for closeups.
 

zman1

Active Member
maxalmon, Sorry to hear that, wish I would have said something earlier. I was just watching since I couldn't give advice choosing a Nikon or Canon. Personally I have Nikon D80 and the 18-135 MM lens that came in the kit. Nice camera but I am a major amateur in this field...
The reason I looking at the site was for another lens and moutable battery pack. Looks like the two presidents went to the same school of no business ethics. Who knows for sure - Could be an alias for the same guy...
 
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