In Ohio, estimates okay for issuing speeding tickets......

scottnlisa

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Yep, police in Ohio can issue speeding tickets bsaed on estimations and they don't evemn need a radar gun to back them up.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...es-741192.html
I am not sure how long this will last but I think it is a crock of &^%$. If a cop is having a bad day or they need donut money, they can stop anybody they want and issue tickets even though you might not be speeding.
 

bionicarm

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I guess you won't be driving down the Ohio Turnpike anytime soon. I don't see how they could possibly approve this ridiculous law. A cop can just take a SWAG at how fast someone is going, then write a ticket? When you have one of the biggest unemployment rates in the country, I guess you need to find inventive ways to make revenue. Guess I'll change my plans on going to Cedar Point this summer. I'd hate to be driving down the Turnpike from Cleveland to Sandusky, and get nailed by some cop because he sees I'm driving a rental. Steal the money from the tourists, not the locals. Since this was passed by the Ohio Srtate Supreme Court, I assume the only body that can overturn it is the US Supreme Court? Yea, like that would ever happen.
 

mrdc

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I heard about that. Here they charge $x per mph over the speed limit. Don't think a guess would work if they tried to charge like that.
 

reefraff

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Uggg I remember back in the olden days before police had radar guns and they gave out speeding tickets. They are trained to estimate speeds without the radar gun, which in this case the cop had but the evidence was tossed at trial because the cop didn't have his certification info with him as far as the training to use the gun.
 

scottnlisa

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From what I have read on other articles, the cops have to go threw an 8 hour course and then they are allowed to estimate speeds. I also remember when they estimated speeds before radar detectors but they used lines painted on the road and then plugged the seconds traveled from one line to the other line into an equation to get your speed. Not now. I really don't see this lasting to long. I hope.
 

scottnlisa

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3276148
Uggg I remember back in the olden days before police had radar guns and they gave out speeding tickets. They are trained to estimate speeds without the radar gun, which in this case the cop had but the evidence was tossed at trial because the cop didn't have his certification info with him as far as the training to use the gun.
Yep, i was always told that to ask the cop to see if he is certified to use the radar gun and also to ask to see the radar gun to see if it has a current certification sticker on it.
 

reefraff

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I remember years ago my brother beat a speeding ticket. He went to court and the cop tells the judge he estimated the speed based on several factors and mentioned the arc of the radio antenna. My brother asked if the antenna was extended or down (this was back in the days where you could pull out the antenna to get better reception) and the cop kinda stumbled a bit and said he wasn't sure if it was fully extended or not. My brother said it would have been tough to tell because the antenna had been broken off the car and he was using a piece of clothes hanger as a replacement. Case dismissed. It was total BS but case dismissed.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by scottnlisa
http:///forum/post/3276243
Yep, i was always told that to ask the cop to see if he is certified to use the radar gun and also to ask to see the radar gun to see if it has a current certification sticker on it.
You do that you better pray you are right though, amazing what all they can decide to write you up for :)
I've always heard the best way is to be cooperative until the cop comes back to have you sign the ticket then say you just can't believe you were going that fast then ask to see the gun. With any luck they will have cleared the reading. The new guns might have memory or something but what the heck, always worth a try and the ticket is already written so the cop can't decide to add infractions if he gets mad at you for asking.
 

yearofthenick

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I was listening to this on the AM radio earlier this week. I can see both sides:
1. The cops look at cars on the highway all day - it's a big part of their job to monitor traffic speed. They took a course which trained them to detect speeds just by eyesight alone. It would be the same as a Jeweler who appraises diamonds or an audio engineer who can localize frequencies on the sound spectrum. The cops are trained to detect the speed of the car in between 3-5mph accuracy. That's pretty good. And if the car is going 90 mph, it doesn't matter if the cop is 5mph off because the driver is still breaking the speed limit.
2. At the same time, we should never go on the validity of one's word these days - too much temptation for people to go bad. It is a breeding ground for corruption and here's how - If a cop can stop someone and give a ticket solely on his own opinion of speed, who's to say that he won't "fudge" his opinion when he needs to meet a quota? Beyond that, if the cop is indeed desperate to get his quota filled, he might become overly sensitive in his judgement, giving tickets to those who may only be going 3-5mph over the limit, which would still be generally legal if it's with the flow of traffic.
At the end of the day, let the unbiased equipment be the determining factor. We get too loosey-goosey when we take one man's word over another, especially when it gets into a one-on-one court case like this. Who's right? Well, the cop has to be because he's a cop. Yeeeaaah, not a fan of that one.
 

reefraff

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Thats why you have judges. If the cop can explain how he determined the speed and has a reasonable excuse for why he didn't use radar then it's up to the judge.
 
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