Interesting read on gun possession and crime rates
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zman1
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Good article - however, reporter malpractice was committed. They conveniently left out other important facts - median income, property values, poverty level and education ...... in their three city comparison.
To make it easy, here are the links for the three cities:
Kennesaw (city), Georgia http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13/1343192.html
Lawrenceville (city), Georgia http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13/1345488.html
Newnan (city), Georgia http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13/1355020.html
To make it easy, here are the links for the three cities:
Kennesaw (city), Georgia http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13/1343192.html
Lawrenceville (city), Georgia http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13/1345488.html
Newnan (city), Georgia http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13/1355020.html
reefraff
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The towns were chosen based on size and the distance from Atlanta.
But if you are trying to lay it on income and education why is it that Newman which is much closer to the income demos as Kennesaw has a higher crime rate than Lawrenceville which is at the bottom of those 3 cities? Newman also has a higher medium home price than Kennesaw.
You also have to look at the reason why Kennesaw has prospered while the other 2 haven't done as well. Better educated people tend to make better money and will also move to towns with less crime
But if you are trying to lay it on income and education why is it that Newman which is much closer to the income demos as Kennesaw has a higher crime rate than Lawrenceville which is at the bottom of those 3 cities? Newman also has a higher medium home price than Kennesaw.
You also have to look at the reason why Kennesaw has prospered while the other 2 haven't done as well. Better educated people tend to make better money and will also move to towns with less crime
2quills
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Newnan, is old south and a little more run down. Kennesaw, is a little more suburban. Geographically speaking if you look at a map of the greater Atlanta area Newnan, is the far child.
I spent some time criss crossing all of those towns updated/grading the wireless network for sprint several years ago. The difference between the two areas are almost night and day. I'd have no problem saying that are probably more educated folks in the Kennesaw, area than there are in the other two.
I would guess probably more drug problems as well.
I spent some time criss crossing all of those towns updated/grading the wireless network for sprint several years ago. The difference between the two areas are almost night and day. I'd have no problem saying that are probably more educated folks in the Kennesaw, area than there are in the other two.
I would guess probably more drug problems as well.
zman1
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The poverty levels of the other two are almost double that of Kennesaw, too
I would be more likely to look at all aspects, than just the mandatory gun ownership of Kennesaw, in which 40% are in violation of the City Ordinance. They should be in Kangaroo court paying fines.... Perhaps they have a few felons, too, that couldn't get guns legally to comply with the CO...
I would be more likely to look at all aspects, than just the mandatory gun ownership of Kennesaw, in which 40% are in violation of the City Ordinance. They should be in Kangaroo court paying fines.... Perhaps they have a few felons, too, that couldn't get guns legally to comply with the CO...
2quills
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I do still think there is something to be said for not commiting a violent crime or burglary in a town where you know everyone is packing heat. That probably wouldnt be my first choice of targets if I were looking to commit a pre meditated crime. Weaker targets would be the first to get exploited. Nature, itself teaches us this.
zman1
Active Member
The homeowner has to be home!
If they are looking to burglarize a house that knows the homeowner has guns, and the criminal wants them, perhaps this makes their home a perfect target....
The difference between robbery and burglary - Is the presence or absence of the victim during the crime.
If they are looking to burglarize a house that knows the homeowner has guns, and the criminal wants them, perhaps this makes their home a perfect target....
The difference between robbery and burglary - Is the presence or absence of the victim during the crime.
zman1
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/394498/interesting-read-on-gun-possession-and-crime-rates#post_3511411
It's a lead pipe cinch that if you aren't armed you are going to be a victim.
All I'm saying, if I had 30 or 36 plus guns open on display in my house and everyone is out to dinner at a restaurant or theater. You didn't take them all with you! Just another way criminals get guns, without getting shot at in the process......
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/394498/interesting-read-on-gun-possession-and-crime-rates#post_3511411
It's a lead pipe cinch that if you aren't armed you are going to be a victim.
All I'm saying, if I had 30 or 36 plus guns open on display in my house and everyone is out to dinner at a restaurant or theater. You didn't take them all with you! Just another way criminals get guns, without getting shot at in the process......
reefraff
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zman1 http:///t/394498/interesting-read-on-gun-possession-and-crime-rates#post_3511412
All I'm saying, if I had 30 or 36 plus guns open on display in my house and everyone is out to dinner at a restaurant or theater. You didn't take them all with you! Just another way criminals get guns, without getting shot at in the process......
Only thing anyone sees in my house is a 50 caliber Hawkins mounted on a buffalo hide on the wall. I'd bet less than 2 percent of the population could even figure out how to load the thing. My stuff is close by but concealed, the hand guns and sawed off anyway.
Originally Posted by zman1 http:///t/394498/interesting-read-on-gun-possession-and-crime-rates#post_3511412
All I'm saying, if I had 30 or 36 plus guns open on display in my house and everyone is out to dinner at a restaurant or theater. You didn't take them all with you! Just another way criminals get guns, without getting shot at in the process......
Only thing anyone sees in my house is a 50 caliber Hawkins mounted on a buffalo hide on the wall. I'd bet less than 2 percent of the population could even figure out how to load the thing. My stuff is close by but concealed, the hand guns and sawed off anyway.
uneverno
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I'm not sure I understand how one can draw scientific conclusions from such a small statistical sample. Far too many unaddressed variables to arrive at that conclusion with any certitude.
It's impossible to agree or disagree - the article employs the logical falacy of: correlation = causation.
It's impossible to agree or disagree - the article employs the logical falacy of: correlation = causation.
2quills
Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by zman1 http:///t/394498/interesting-read-on-gun-possession-and-crime-rates#post_3511410
The homeowner has to be home!
If they are looking to burglarize a house that knows the homeowner has guns, and the criminal wants them, perhaps this makes their home a perfect target....
The difference between robbery and burglary - Is the presence or absence of the victim during the crime.
Don't worry neighbor! I'll shoot your burglar for ya if I see one or two or three. All in the name of self defense of course.
We tried neighborhood watch but we all see how well that worked out.
Originally Posted by zman1 http:///t/394498/interesting-read-on-gun-possession-and-crime-rates#post_3511410
The homeowner has to be home!
If they are looking to burglarize a house that knows the homeowner has guns, and the criminal wants them, perhaps this makes their home a perfect target....
The difference between robbery and burglary - Is the presence or absence of the victim during the crime.
Don't worry neighbor! I'll shoot your burglar for ya if I see one or two or three. All in the name of self defense of course.
We tried neighborhood watch but we all see how well that worked out.