Is a value added tax coming our way?

[mrdc]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...e/us_obama_tax
I thought Obama said awhile back that no one making under $250k would see any tax increases.

 

[slice]

What he said is:
"I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime."
The VAT isn't a tax on US, just on everything we buy. So, the pledge stays intact

 

[mrdc]

Talking about getting picky with the words. Maybe it's just me but I see it as a tax on me!!! I did see on the news this morning that a VAT isn't so easy to remove either. I will have to read more on it to get more details. I know the VAT is done in Europe and this morning I see articles stating how the new $100 bill makeover looks more like European currency. AND I also saw this morning where Hawaii is passing a bill allowing them to ignore requests for Obamas birth ceritificate. I guess they have been getting a lot of requests if they have to use legislation in order to avoid the requests.

 

[reefraff]

What the politicians love about a VAT is it's like Carbon Monoxide. You have no idea it's there until it's too late. This tax doesn't show up on a receipt like a sales tax so consumers will direct their anger at big business for increasing prices rather than the politicians for increasing taxes, yet again.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by mrdc
http:///forum/post/3261958
Talking about getting picky with the words. Maybe it's just me but I see it as a tax on me!!! I did see on the news this morning that a VAT isn't so easy to remove either. I will have to read more on it to get more details. I know the VAT is done in Europe and this morning I see articles stating how the new $100 bill makeover looks more like European currency. AND I also saw this morning where Hawaii is passing a bill allowing them to ignore requests for Obamas birth ceritificate. I guess they have been getting a lot of requests if they have to use legislation in order to avoid the requests.
Yeah, and Arizona is passing a bill that will require all presidential candidates to show their birth certificate to get their name on the AZ ballot. Pretty funny really. Obama is playing the birther crowd like a cheap fiddle.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Slice
http:///forum/post/3261956
What he said is:
"I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime."
The VAT isn't a tax on US, just on everything we buy. So, the pledge stays intact

If you're smoking crack.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by mrdc
http:///forum/post/3261958
Talking about getting picky with the words. Maybe it's just me but I see it as a tax on me!!! I did see on the news this morning that a VAT isn't so easy to remove either. I will have to read more on it to get more details. I know the VAT is done in Europe and this morning I see articles stating how the new $100 bill makeover looks more like European currency. AND I also saw this morning where Hawaii is passing a bill allowing them to ignore requests for Obamas birth ceritificate. I guess they have been getting a lot of requests if they have to use legislation in order to avoid the requests.
Hawaii's edict is nothing compared to Arizona's. They're trying to pass a law requring anyone who wants to appear on the Arizona Presidential ballot, has to submit a valid birth certificate. Don't the Republicans and the Birthers have better things to do with their time than waste taxpayer's money on stupid and useless bills that would easily get overturned in the Supreme Court?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...est=latestnews

 

[slice]

If you're smoking crack.
Or not paying attention.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3261964
Hawaii's edict is nothing compared to Arizona's. They're trying to pass a law requring anyone who wants to appear on the Arizona Presidential ballot, has to submit a valid birth certificate. Don't the Republicans and the Birthers have better things to do with their time than waste taxpayer's money on stupid and useless bills that would easily get overturned in the Supreme Court?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...est=latestnews
figures, dems don't want people to have to show an id vote, they don't want to show proof of citizenship to run.
But seriously, the states commission the elections, I fail to see how this is in any way overturnable... The question that it really raises is WTF they aren't doing this already?

 

[mrdc]

I think there was some small print under the "Change" sign Obama used during his campaign. I think it read something like:
I will take every last bit of change you have.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3261964
Hawaii's edict is nothing compared to Arizona's. They're trying to pass a law requring anyone who wants to appear on the Arizona Presidential ballot, has to submit a valid birth certificate. Don't the Republicans and the Birthers have better things to do with their time than waste taxpayer's money on stupid and useless bills that would easily get overturned in the Supreme Court?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...est=latestnews
Uhhh, Arizona has the right to set election policy in their state, why would the court overturn the law? Every state has their own standards for what it takes to get on the ballot now.

 

[slice]

Remember some time back when Chavez devalued his currency, then threatened to take over any business that raised its pricing?
A VAT tax will allow Obama to point to businesses as the villain when prices rise to cover the increased cost of production. Maybe Obama DID read that book....and took notes.....

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Slice
http:///forum/post/3261976
Remember some time back when Chavez devalued his currency, then threatened to take over any business that raised its pricing?
A VAT tax will allow Obama to point to businesses as the villain when prices rise to cover the increased cost of production. Maybe Obama DID read that book....and took notes.....
ZING!!!

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3261971
Uhhh, Arizona has the right to set election policy in their state, why would the court overturn the law? Every state has their own standards for what it takes to get on the ballot now.
Wouldn't Article 2 of the Constitution take precedence over any state law? Any person who wants to run as President has to meet the requirements of this Article before they can even request to be put on a state ballot in the first place. You can paint it any way you want. The bottom line is this is this is nothing but some stupid bipartisan ploy to try and discredit Obama specifically. You think they'd try and pass this bill if McCain would have won the election? Arizona is just showing themselves as a bunch of sore losers because their 'Maverick' got slammed in the election.

 

[bionicarm]

Looks like Arizona is two-for-two this week for controversial legislation. They also are trying to pass a bill whereby 'immigrant's' have to physically carry all documentation to prove they are in this country legally. I thought any immigrant who is legally in this country already had to have a Green Card in their possession? How exactly are the authorities going to be able to tell whose 'legal' and whose 'illegal'? Can you say Racial Profiling? I imagine the cops in Phoenix and Tuscon will have a field day with this one. Want to clear out a crowded Mexican restaurant so you don't have to wait on a table? Just walk in and yell "Immigracion!" and watch them scatter.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/....html?hpt=Sbin

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3261981
Wouldn't Article 2 of the Constitution take precedence over any state law? Any person who wants to run as President has to meet the requirements of this Article before they can even request to be put on a state ballot in the first place. You can paint it any way you want. The bottom line is this is this is nothing but some stupid bipartisan ploy to try and discredit Obama specifically. You think they'd try and pass this bill if McCain would have won the election? Arizona is just showing themselves as a bunch of sore losers because their 'Maverick' got slammed in the election.
Nope, states still control ballot access. Remember when whats his name ran on the green party ticket last time? He didn't qualify to make the ballot in every state, Ralph Nader.
As far as the whole birther thing Obama and his people are orchastrating that whole deal. They have never released an official copy of the birth certificate and these fools play right into their hands making a big deal about it. Like the DNC would have allowed him to be the candidate if there was any chance he could be found to not be eligable, Dufuses.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3261982
Looks like Arizona is two-for-two this week for controversial legislation. They also are trying to pass a bill whereby 'immigrant's' have to physically carry all documentation to prove they are in this country legally. I thought any immigrant who is legally in this country already had to have a Green Card in their possession? How exactly are the authorities going to be able to tell whose 'legal' and whose 'illegal'? Can you say Racial Profiling? I imagine the cops in Phoenix and Tuscon will have a field day with this one. Want to clear out a crowded Mexican restaurant so you don't have to wait on a table? Just walk in and yell "Immigracion!" and watch them scatter.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/....html?hpt=Sbin
GREAT LAW
What it does is allows law enforcement to question someone they suspect isn't a citizen and the law specifically prohibits them basing their suspicion on race. So if the cop comes across someone who can't speak english or someone who doesn't have ID they can inquire as to their citizenship status.

 

[mrdc]

I've never got caught up in the whole birther thing either. If he isn't a true American citizen, it would be the greatest hoax ever!

 

[stdreb27]

Bionic,
the states are the controller of the elections. They are allowed to write laws to filter out some of the riff raff. Otherwise you'd have several hundred presidential candidates on the list. So a candidate for a national election has to prove he's a viable candidate. Of course the major 2 parties don't have to do that since it is assumed. Ususally they have to get an x number of signatures to be on the ballot. That is why you'll see third party candidates on the ballot of a handful of states and not on the others. They also have various checks to prove residency. So to require proof of birth is not an out of the question requirement. So unless you argue that they are making the requirement something that differs from the constitution then it is entirely within their rights as a state.
Although you are correct this is purely because of the Obama presidency... Kind of light they only put up stoplights after their has been a few wrecks...
As for my opinion on the birther thing. I personally think, that the mom just screwed up filing the paperwork to get him to be born a U.S. Citizen... Which to me isn't that big of a deal.

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3261985
Nope, states still control ballot access. Remember when whats his name ran on the green party ticket last time? He didn't qualify to make the ballot in every state, Ralph Nader.
As far as the whole birther thing Obama and his people are orchastrating that whole deal. They have never released an official copy of the birth certificate and these fools play right into their hands making a big deal about it. Like the DNC would have allowed him to be the candidate if there was any chance he could be found to not be eligable, Dufuses.
Your right, I look at the whole birther deal and the politicians who seem to be afraid to stand up to them and it does influence how I vote. I don't agree though with what Arizona is doing at all, something needs to be done about the border and it needs to be done by the federal government. I just could not imagine being a 2nd or 3rd generation American and getting pulled over and asked for proof of citizenship, honestly the cops would get a heartfelt go screw yourself and then you get arrested, this is going to happen and then the state of Arizona is going to have an ugly lawsuit they can't possibly come out winning. I see a real double standard here, especially with all the gun rights and Tea Party stuff going on, it really makes it look like the Constitution only counts if you are white IMHO.
Fishtaco