LFS in Northampton,Pa running Copper in Their System

morayeels

Member
There is a LFS in Northampton, Pa. that is running COPPER in the systems. Now im not allowed to say who this is but we all know who it is. I was there over the weekend a purchased a fish. Took the fish home and tested the water as I do for all the fish I purchase just to check and make sure Im not putting anything bad into my tank. And guess what the COPPER level was very high and I had to place the fish in to my QT tank. They even had seahorse in the same system. Just a heads up to let buyers be ware.
 

ibew

Active Member
The owner is named loyed an he does not care about what he sales and who he sales to. But they do carry so nice coral pieces but of course the price is extremely high for both coral and fish but there isn't much option unless you order online. So if your going to buy from him make sure you do your homework
 

ibew

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I don't think he is dumb he is actually very smart in saltwater area but hes in it to make a buck not to help others in the hobby and his personality is quite rude at times when the customer knows alittle about what he or she is looking at purchasing
 

ibew

Active Member
theres a younger guy named John in his mid 20s that works there. He is who you want to talk to next time you go there very pollite and very intelligent also will not sale you something that may not live or might be a bad idea to buy
 

wangotango

Active Member
a lot of lfs run copper in their fish tanks for disease control, i know mine do. just scoop or net the fish out, dont dump the bag in the water.
-Justin
 

morayeels

Member
I test every shops water I purchase a fish at. Some time I will even ask them for a water sample if im intrested i purchasing a fish and first test their water. I dont even trust scooping a fish out of a bag and placing it into my tank.
 

morayeels

Member
I belive if your tanks are set up proper there is no need to run cooper in saltwater systems. Theire is a LFS in Allentown, Pa. that has never run cooper and the fish are awsome. From time to time you get that fish that dont do so well an no one like to see a fish lost. Running UV and feeding fish garlic guard works great.
 

ibew

Active Member
Originally Posted by WangoTango
a lot of lfs run copper in their fish tanks for disease control, i know mine do. just scoop or net the fish out, dont dump the bag in the water.
-Justin
 

morayeels

Member
You guys can do that. But not me. I value my tank to much to risk scooping out a fish from water that containes cooper.
 

rara12

Member
Originally Posted by morayeels
I belive if your tanks are set up proper there is no need to run cooper in saltwater systems.

Im sorry but that idea does not transfer over to fish shops. They have fish comming in all the time so there is really no way to keep the fish healthy with out the help of copper. I agree some places dont correctly control their levels but its a valuable tool.
 

morayeels

Member
I do not agree with you. The LFS in Allentown,Pa has never used not 1 drop of copper in their tanks and have very little fish loss when they receive them. I belive shops use copper as a cruch to sell the fish to customers and later the fish dies. When you have a shop like the one in Northampton that runs copper in with seahorses they should be shut down and not allowed to re open.
 

lion_crazz

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morayeels, there are so many contradictions in your posts that it really seems like you either have something really against the one LFS or have stock in the other LFS. It always seems like you have a personal agenda when you post about these two places.
Took the fish home and tested the water as I do for all the fish I purchase just to check and make sure Im not putting anything bad into my tank.
How would you be putting anything bad into your tank by putting a fish in the tank? Even non-serious aquarists know that an LFS' water should never go in your tank.
And guess what the COPPER level was very high and I had to place the fish in to my QT tank.
The fish should be going into the quarantine tank before you buy it anyway, so that should not be an issue.
They even had seahorse in the same system. Just a heads up to let buyers be ware.
Your last statement and this one is a contradiction. A seahorse is an invertebrate, and inverts, especially delicate ones like horses, cannot live with high levels of copper. And if you are so against this LFS, why do you continue to shop there? Why don't you just shop at the one that you are always so positive about?
I dont even trust scooping a fish out of a bag and placing it into my tank.
Why? If you watched the fish eat well at the LFS before buying the fish, and it is just going into a QT for 3-4 weeks, what is the problem? This quarantine period will give you sufficient time to watch the fish and treat it appropriately if a problem arises.
I belive if your tanks are set up proper there is no need to run cooper in saltwater systems.
Local fish stores are nothing like home aquariums. LFS' have no means to quarantine all new fish. They get new fish every single week. How is an LFS supposed to combat ich if they have no way to quarantine all new arrivals? They cannot perform hyposalinity in their sale tanks. This would be impractical and would stop them from being able to sell anything out of the system. Even if the fish has a slight case of ich, you should be quarantining anyway, so even this would not be a problem if the fish is healthy and strong.
When you have a shop like the one in Northampton that runs copper in with seahorses they should be shut down and not allowed to re open.
If you really do not like what they do at the fish store, you should stop buying anything from them. By buying fish from their store, you are supporting them and keeping them open, allowing them to continue the same practices that you do not like.
Originally Posted by morayeels
You guys can do that. But not me. I value my tank to much to risk scooping out a fish from water that containes cooper.

You must not value your tank that much because it does not seem like you even quarantine all of your fish. If you really valued the inhabitants of your tank, you would quarantine all new additions, so that you possibly did not introduce them to something deadly (especially if you are shopping at a store that you say is so bad).
 

viper_930

Active Member
Originally Posted by morayeels
I belive shops use copper as a cruch to sell the fish to customers and later the fish dies.
How so? If anything, the copper helps the fish not kills it.
By the way, why do you shop there if you don't like it? You've been bad-mouthing this same store for over 2 years now.
 

rabbit_72

Member
I'd hate to sound like a complete dum-dum, but what does LFS stand for? I am new to these boards, in fact any fishy board, and although I have an idea, perhaps someone would like to let me know, so I don't feel so dumb anymore!

On a different note, where we purchase our fish normally, they run copper through the tanks that house non-reef safe fish. No copper through reef-safe fish. All we had to do was ask. Also, found out a major chain store adds copper to their lines. We simply do not put that water in our tank, or any other stores water in our tank. That's a big no-no from what I understand.
 

rara12

Member
LFS stands for local fish for. At the LFS i work for we use copper in all our saltwater FISH tanks. We also have a seperate system that houses all our inverts. Then a few other systems for corals and sea horses. And we won an award for best fish shop in the US a few years ago. Really i dont see what your problem is.
 

morayeels

Member
Im not here to bash this place. Im just giving buyers a heads up. And as for me shopping at this place i visit every now and then. Its not a LFS that is high on my list to purchase from. Im not the only person who picks on this shop. Face it the facts are the facts and thats the bottom line.
 
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