Lighting Expert Please

ninjamini

Active Member
There seems to be a lot of confusion on this board about lighting and what's best for coral growth. Let me try to sum it up as best as I can to see if I understand. Please note that I am no expert.Metal Halide: The best light source for coral growth. However it runs hot and probably will need a chiller. It is also the most expensive to run.
T5:
The next best thing to MH with close results. But not really the right type of light for SPS or clams. Runs much cooler than MH and its also cheaper to run.
PC:
Good light for shrooms, polips and softies but don't try the stoneys under this light as they will not do well. Low power consumption and low heat.
Florecent:
Ignore this option for a reef.
In addition to the type of light you must also focus on the wavelength of the light produced. The produces all wave lengths of light and there is a visible spectrum (all the colors in the rainbow and white) and an invisable (X-ray, UV ray...). We measure the frequency in degrees of Kelvin.
6500 Degrees Kelvin:
Is the best light frequency for coral growth. It does not foster the bright color growth that we like to see. It is also very white and looks bad in the tank.
10,000 degrees Kelvin:
The most used frequency when combined with Atinic lights. Still kinda white but with the addition of the atinics it gives good growth and good color. It also makes for a nicely lit tank.
14,000 degrees kelvin:
Most often used when the use of Atinic is not possible. Provides good color in the corals and a good look but does not foster the best coral growth.
20,000 degrees kelvin:
Most often used when the use of Atinic is not possible. Provides a very blue color that some people like and other do not. It does provide good coral color but does not foster the best coral growth.
Conclusion and the questions:

The best combination is Metal Halide & Atinic
The next best combination is T5 & Atinic.
Rate the MH/Atinic for its effectiveness. 1 not effective through 10 super duper effective. Do the same for T5/atinic and PC's.
Is it worth the heat issues and excess power consumption to use MH or are T5s good enough without the trouble.
Lastly, I dont get how people say they use more energy. If you have 2 lights that use the same watts don't they consume the same power? Is it that the MH/atinic light uses more watts? For example 90 gallon tank, 48" fixture 2x150 MH + 2x96 Actinic = 492 watts. Compared to a T5 fixture which I guess has less watts.
How do I convert 492 watts by 12 hours into $$$ per month?
 

ninjamini

Active Member
Ok let me see if I got this cost thing:
492 watts x 12 hours per day=5.9 KWH x 30 days = 177 KWH
How much is a kwh? Lets say $.10 per kwh. thats $17 per month.
Did I get it?
 

coachklm

Active Member
and and you cant just say that MH is the best
every coral is different...... the level of photosynthesis per coral must be taken into account but the good news is that corals adapt there own photosynthetic levels per light usage. in the wild, photosynthetic corals have incresed/decreased the activity of the photosythetic polyps during light oppertunities.
 

wattsupdoc

Active Member
1 kilowatt is 1000 watts.
1kilowat hour is 1000watts consumed for 1 hour.
Average kilowatt cost is .08- .12 per KWH.
There are alot of variables involved when comparing lighting. The bottom line as I have learned is getting the right amount of par that an indivdual species needs, to that species.
If enough T5ho's are used then IMO yes it would be as good as MH.
JMO
 

ninjamini

Active Member
Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
1 kilowatt is 1000 watts.
1kilowat hour is 1000watts consumed for 1 hour.
Average kilowatt cost is .08- .12 per KWH.
There are alot of variables involved when comparing lighting. The bottom line as I have learned is getting the right amount of par that an indivdual species needs, to that species.
If enough T5ho's are used then IMO yes it would be as good as MH.
JMO

What is par? Do the corals get the same out of a 150 watts of T5 vs 150 watts of MH? Or does one provide more than the other at the same wattage. It sounds like the MH looses alot due to heat.
 

fanker

Active Member
the bulb combo of 150w of t-5s will be way more par than 150w mh10k, like my 4x54w of t-5s are way brighter imo than 2- 250wmh
 
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saltfreak4

Guest
I am glad I am not the only one very confused about lighting. Do you need to cool a T5?
Rena
 

fanker

Active Member
u might want 1 fan to blow the heat away from the bulbs so the buld will last longer but if its t-5 hood than u wont need anything
 

saltfan

Active Member
Originally Posted by ninjaminiThere seems to be a lot of confusion on this board about lighting and what's best for coral growth. Let me try to sum it up as best as I can to see if I understand. Please note that I am no expert.
Metal Halide:
The best light source for coral growth. However it runs hot and probably will need a chiller. It is also the most expensive to run.
T5:
The next best thing to MH with close results. But not really the right type of light for SPS or clams. Runs much cooler than MH and its also cheaper to run.
PC:
Good light for shrooms, polips and softies but don't try the stoneys under this light as they will not do well. Low power consumption and low heat.
Florecent:
Ignore this option for a reef.
In addition to the type of light you must also focus on the wavelength of the light produced. The produces all wave lengths of light and there is a visible spectrum (all the colors in the rainbow and white) and an invisable (X-ray, UV ray...). We measure the frequency in degrees of Kelvin.
6500 Degrees Kelvin:
Is the best light frequency for coral growth. It does not foster the bright color growth that we like to see. It is also very white and looks bad in the tank.
10,000 degrees Kelvin:
The most used frequency when combined with Atinic lights. Still kinda white but with the addition of the atinics it gives good growth and good color. It also makes for a nicely lit tank.
14,000 degrees kelvin:
Most often used when the use of Atinic is not possible. Provides good color in the corals and a good look but does not foster the best coral growth.
20,000 degrees kelvin:
Most often used when the use of Atinic is not possible. Provides a very blue color that some people like and other do not. It does provide good coral color but does not foster the best coral growth.
Conclusion and the questions:

The best combination is Metal Halide & Atinic
The next best combination is T5 & Atinic.
Rate the MH/Atinic for its effectiveness. 1 not effective through 10 super duper effective. Do the same for T5/atinic and PC's.
Is it worth the heat issues and excess power consumption to use MH or are T5s good enough without the trouble.
Lastly, I dont get how people say they use more energy. If you have 2 lights that use the same watts don't they consume the same power? Is it that the MH/atinic light uses more watts? For example 90 gallon tank, 48" fixture 2x150 MH + 2x96 Actinic = 492 watts. Compared to a T5 fixture which I guess has less watts.
How do I convert 492 watts by 12 hours into $$$ per month?
alas, we forget the lovable VHO again here. As the word turns
The debate goes on, is T-5 better than VHO..... Not imo. I chose VHO over having to use 8 T-5's.....compared to only 3 VHO.....
Oh, and also, you will never convince me that 8 bulbs will run cooler than just using 3 of a different kind. The math don't add that one up..... Debate on.
 

ninjamini

Active Member
WTF! I guess that there will never be an easy answer to this question. I think there needs to be some geek somewhere testing the different lights. Ya know what I'm gonna do. I am going to get the light that I think looks nice on the tank and thats it.
 

saltfan

Active Member
Originally Posted by ninjamini
WTF! I guess that there will never be an easy answer to this question. I think there needs to be some geek somewhere testing the different lights. Ya know what I'm gonna do. I am going to get the light that I think looks nice on the tank and thats it.
Damn skippy. Now there is a light answer I can sink my teeth into. Kudos to you.
 

tx reef

Active Member
Originally Posted by SaltFan
alas, we forget the lovable VHO again here. As the word turns
The debate goes on, is T-5 better than VHO..... Not imo. I chose VHO over having to use 8 T-5's.....compared to only 3 VHO.....
Oh, and also, you will never convince me that 8 bulbs will run cooler than just using 3 of a different kind. The math don't add that one up..... Debate on.


I agree.
I just can't wrap my mind around T5s being so great.
They are still flourescent lights. I have always liked VHOs, and PCS are alright if you don't want to keep much.
I found a store on the big auction site that sells used MHs for a good price, a whole lot cheaper than T5s. If you look around, you don't have to spend a fortune on MH.
As far as heat goes, my 2-175 watt MH came in yesterday and I hooked them up. With one fan, I have no increase in water temperature.
Then again, here in Texas we all use A/C and my house is never above 72 degrees.
 

reefiness

Active Member
Originally Posted by fanker
the bulb combo of 150w of t-5s will be way more par than 150w mh10k, like my 4x54w of t-5s are way brighter imo than 2- 250wmh
you a bit off there... there is no way that 216watts of t-5s are brighter then 500watts MH... mabye you ment 2x150watt MH which its not way brighter but it would be close.
 

ninjamini

Active Member
Geeze-e-pete! Why isn't there a clear answer. One has to be better?
Here is all I wanna know. The best lighting for anything I care to put in the tank:
Tank A:
90 gallon tank - 48" x 18" x 24" D.

48" 432 watt - 8 x 54 watt T5
-OR-
48" 492 watt - 2x150 watt MH + 2x96 True Actinic 03 Blue PC
Tank B:
70 gallon tank - 36" x 18" x 24" D.

156 watt - 4 x 39 watts T5
-OR-

280 watt - 1x150 MH + 2x65 True Actinic 03 Blue PC
 

fanker

Active Member
Originally Posted by SaltFan
alas, we forget the lovable VHO again here. As the word turns
The debate goes on, is T-5 better than VHO..... Not imo. I chose VHO over having to use 8 T-5's.....compared to only 3 VHO.....
Oh, and also, you will never convince me that 8 bulbs will run cooler than just using 3 of a different kind. The math don't add that one up..... Debate on.

u wouldnt need 8 bulbs of t-5s to compare to 3 vhos, 4x54w of t-5s wouldnt even come close to 4x110 of vho, and it would be less heat, they are a smaller diameter bulb so not as much heat. and the reason vho are never talked about is because they have the lowest par rating
 

viper_930

Active Member
Originally Posted by fanker
the bulb combo of 150w of t-5s will be way more par than 150w mh10k, like my 4x54w of t-5s are way brighter imo than 2- 250wmh
What ballast, reflector, and bulb brands did you use to test this? What were the actual PAR ratings?
 

yupi1982

Member
Originally Posted by ViPeR_930
What ballast, reflector, and bulb brands did you use to test this? What were the actual PAR ratings?
very good point VIPER ...what are you PAR readings!!! :thinking:
 

zanoshanox

Active Member
I believe his information is based on the TEK t-5 fixtures. He also had a nova retro that was pretty bright. I dont know the actual PAR ratings myself but I did see the TEK's in person and they're pretty bright.
 
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