live rock supplier

[npc]

anyone ever hear of aquarium arts in bkersfield,ca?
anyone ever use their rock?
how was the quality?
any other info about them?
the pictures on their website look great and they are local to me just want some outside opinions before i make a decision.
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[npc]

also does anyone know of a good LFS in or around bakersfield,ca

 

[xdave]

I only use cultured live rock. I do not support the destruction of reefs.

 

[mauiman84]

Depending on how much you need or want i would look at tampa bay saltwater. I got some of my live rock from them and love it.

 

[xdave]

I like them and Gulf-view.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by xDave
I only use cultured live rock. I do not support the destruction of reefs.
Interesting point... except for the fact that the reefs are being destroyed by runoff, etc.

 

[npc]

Originally Posted by xDave
I only use cultured live rock. I do not support the destruction of reefs.
I understand this point of view and its great that you have such strong moral convictions about the preservation of the worlds reefs, but that wasn’t my question. My question was is anyone has ever used this rock.
Also, do you buy only fish that were born in captivity or do you buy some that were caught in the wild? This supports the destruction of reefs as well.

 

[xdave]

Fish can be sustainably collected, LR can not. I only kepp tank bred, raised, or sustainably collected livestock, including coral and LR. Think about it, you're trying to compare catching a bird to cutting down the forest.
@ 1journeyman, are you suggesting that since one thing is destroying the reefs, we might as well do even more to destroy it?
I would take my concern over the reefs this far Stop the strip mining of reefs heres a qoute from that page:
"collected live rock cannot be replenished on a biological time scale, as can all other fishery resources. At best geologically renewable over very long periods of time, live rock is a resource that should be preserved from all harvest because its replenishment is not manageable or possible under standard fisheries management.
Coral and live rock formations provide essential habitat to countless marine creatures. Taking coral and live rock reduces the quality and quantity of habitat available to reef organisms. Continued collection seriously disrupts -- and even destroys -- entire reef microcommunities.
Coral and live rock are often collected with hammer and chisel. The physical integrity and ecological balance of sensitive coral reefs and hardbottoms is being disrupted more and more each time another chunk is torn away.
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[seanem]

A lot of live rock is also collected when it breaks off in portions due to storms and turbulence within the water.
Did anyone hear about the 2 million tires put off the shores of florida to start and artificial reef and how it didn't work and actually dmaged reefs in the area and it will cost just as much to pull them out by 2008? Interesting huh?
That really had nothing to do with the post at hand, by my opinion is that one should not use a forum to flame others, even in a mild manner for their usage of non-aqcultured materials, espescially in a hobby as relatively new as this one.

 

[npc]

Originally Posted by xDave
Fish can be sustainably collected, LR can not. I only kepp tank bred, raised, or sustainably collected livestock, including coral and LR. Think about it, you're trying to compare catching a bird to cutting down the forest.
@ 1journeyman, are you suggesting that since one thing is destroying the reefs, we might as well do even more to destroy it?
I would take my concern over the reefs this far Stop the strip mining of reefs heres a qoute from that page:
"collected live rock cannot be replenished on a biological time scale, as can all other fishery resources. At best geologically renewable over very long periods of time, live rock is a resource that should be preserved from all harvest because its replenishment is not manageable or possible under standard fisheries management.
Coral and live rock formations provide essential habitat to countless marine creatures. Taking coral and live rock reduces the quality and quantity of habitat available to reef organisms. Continued collection seriously disrupts -- and even destroys -- entire reef microcommunities.
Coral and live rock are often collected with hammer and chisel. The physical integrity and ecological balance of sensitive coral reefs and hardbottoms is being disrupted more and more each time another chunk is torn away.
"
interesting view point but there are some collection methods that damage reefs.
"you're trying to compare catching a bird to cutting down the forest."
im talking about distroying other parts of the reef to get to fish. so im comparing collecting fish by these metohds to say...burning down the forest to get to the birds.
and you are right its not nearly as big of a deal ecologically speaking as taking rock but it does have an impact.
but i really dont wnat to argue over this, this is not the proper place to do so.
if anyone has any experience with this co. please tell me about your experience with them. also any good LFS in or around bakersfield ca please let me know.

 

[blizz75]

cultured rock still comes from reefs

 

[tolboy]

Man I hate when people do that.Take your post and end up changing the subject of it with information you were not looking for.That pisses me off

Can we get back on the f***** subject and stay on it? No I have never dealt with any of their product,I thought about it though try it out and tell us about it.Hell I might try it for myself.

 

[blizz75]

NPC asked Dave what types of fish he keeps which started the debate and change of subject.
No one changed the topic except NPC, the original Thread starter

 

[npc]

Originally Posted by blizz75
NPC asked Dave what types of fish he keeps which started the debate and change of subject.
No one changed the topic except NPC, the original Thread starter
no i didnt change the topic, everyone else started talking about alternatives that are more "reef safe" (for lack of a better term). i didnt ask if they thought it was ethical to use the rock from aquarium arts i asked them if they had used it.

 

[npc]

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sorry didnt realize that wasn't allowed.
wont happen again

 

[blizz75]

Originally Posted by NPC
no i didnt change the topic, everyone else started talking about alternatives that are more "reef safe" (for lack of a better term). i didnt ask if they thought it was ethical to use the rock from aquarium arts i asked them if they had used it.

You asked Dave if he bought fish from the wild which sparked his response and the conversation.
And im sorry for trying to "say" what you said or did or whatever i was just trying to show tolboy that he was only adding to the problem by cursing at the other members in the thread

 

[blizz75]

As for your original question if the rock looks nice and is light weight for its size then it should work great. Also keep in mind if your adding it to a mature tank that it is fully cured

 

[acrylic51]

I've used Tampa Bay Saltwater for rock before....Rock is good, but don't like the dense looking rock though.....don't care for Fiji rock as well to dense.

 

[1journeyman]

NPC, sorry. No, I have never used this company. There is a trade off to live rock. Caribbean rock and cultured rock is more dense, but you can get it "fresher".
Originally Posted by xDave
@ 1journeyman, are you suggesting that since one thing is destroying the reefs, we might as well do even more to destroy it?...
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No, what I'm saying is there is a trade off. If you tell some remote island in the Pacific that the reef they are burying in silt runoff is worth a fortune to them by careful managment (worth a lot more than the mangos they are trying to farm for instance) you have a chance to preserve the reef.
Blanket statements like "i don't support the destruction of the reef" takes too small of a view. Do you support global warming because you drive a car? Do you support child labor because you buy products from China?
Our hobby needs to continue to pomote the preservation of the reef WHILE providing for the people who own it to begin with.