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marty
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If you don't have any fish (which it appears), then ordering lr and adding it to the tank isn't a big deal. Your tank may recycle because of adding the lr due to the die off on the lr. If you are wanting to add lr to the tank, do it now before fishes are in there. If you wait until you have fish, then it is recommended that you add only small amounts of cured rock every 2 weeks or so.
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therock0861
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I just recently ordered and recieved L/R from SWF they said that it should arrive 50-80% cured so it will take some time to be fully cured. If you add the L/R to aquarium you will be fine with no fish in it. If you are wanting to speed up the cycle process buy a product called Cycle and use it and you will be impressed with the results.
marty
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Buying lr from swf.com will be uncured. Even if they did cure it (which they don't have a reason to do so), having it in shipping for 2-3 days will cause some die off. But since you don't have any fish, just throw it in the tank. It will help your cycle (or as previously said, it will re-cycle).
Buying cured rock (with minimal travel time) from your local fish store is worth buying if the lr is going directly into an established tank. It is more expensive than non-cured rock at an lfs, but is worth it (at least you don't have to cure it yourself).
HTH
Buying cured rock (with minimal travel time) from your local fish store is worth buying if the lr is going directly into an established tank. It is more expensive than non-cured rock at an lfs, but is worth it (at least you don't have to cure it yourself).
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therock0861
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Like I mentioned before I e-mailed SWF and they said the rock is cured but due to the die off it will only be 50 - 80% cured upon arrival.
fshhub
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it is cured, but you still willl have die off, if it were uncured, it would take much longer to cure and or cycle with, probably months longer(in many cases)
cycle is a product that IMO should not even exist, it does no more than take your money, by not using it, you would be better off,(may not hurt to use it)won't help anything you woould be speinding you r money on soemthing that is gonna happen and i dont' think that it does what they claim, even if it did, nothing good in sw happens fast, i do not know how someone who has only just used it and is still cycling can say we will be impressed, mine went into the trash can, after i used it, like i said it does not work, for stability you should chuck it and wait out they cycle
and yes adding lr now, would be the best time for you to do so, even if you did retart your cycle(with their lr(swf's), it will not be near as bad as if you bought uncured, adn adding now, is the est time IMO to add it, no danger for the fish at all
cycle is a product that IMO should not even exist, it does no more than take your money, by not using it, you would be better off,(may not hurt to use it)won't help anything you woould be speinding you r money on soemthing that is gonna happen and i dont' think that it does what they claim, even if it did, nothing good in sw happens fast, i do not know how someone who has only just used it and is still cycling can say we will be impressed, mine went into the trash can, after i used it, like i said it does not work, for stability you should chuck it and wait out they cycle
and yes adding lr now, would be the best time for you to do so, even if you did retart your cycle(with their lr(swf's), it will not be near as bad as if you bought uncured, adn adding now, is the est time IMO to add it, no danger for the fish at all
thewolfman777
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i am sorry but i have to add my 2 cents too about using cycle. all those additives are bogus (cycle, biozyme, stresszyme). i spent a lot of money on these products and was unhappy with the results. it did absolutely nothing for the condition of my tank during the cycle. IMHO i feel it actually delayed the process a lot. save your money and spend it on something useful, like l/r.
fshhub
Active Member
'this is often the case, it is money spent by people who don't know any better on a product that at best cannot hurt, but IMEO does not help enough to justify the money spent on it,
AGAIN
my opiiinion is forget it, i used it and between it and my lfs i lost alot fish(the combination of the 2)
AGAIN
my opiiinion is forget it, i used it and between it and my lfs i lost alot fish(the combination of the 2)
thewolfman777
Member
that is what happened to me fshhub when i blindly walked into the hobby. the lfs recommended it and i read the box and it sounded like a miracle in a bottle, a god send. sometimes you have to learn the hard way or be smater and find this site before starting the hobby. it would have saved me mucho dinero...
krux
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I tested cycle in two 10 gallon tanks, which I was using for 1. a quarantine tank and 2. a hospital tank. Added 10 pounds of aragonite (sp?) 10 pounds of uncured lr from the same shipment, identical filters, identical heaters, and identical starting perameters. the one with cycle was at 0/0/20 in 27 days, the tank without it took 43 days to reach the same parameters. Personally I did not find the 8 dollars for the bottle excessive, and my test results seem to demonstrate that it does have an effect on tank cycling, 16 days in fact. I have also used it in my main tank without any adverse results.
I agree that this is not a hobby that should be rushed, and even after you have good parameters you should still wait, but unless you have honestly given something a shot and have reasonable results from it to say it did not work, I would have a hard time agreeing with making the automatic assumption that it a waste of time and money. A number of things could have killed $300.00 worth of fish, or caused a cycle to slow down. Aquariums are in most cases not clinical, and are prone to a number of outside influences.
The product is not an "instant fix" or a way to make it so that you do not need to properly cycle and maintain your tank. It is simply an additive that may assist you in culturing bacteria colonies in your tank. It is not going to turbo boost your bacteria cultures, as there is only so much area for them to affix to, but if your cycle is stuck in the ammonia or nitrite, even nitrate stage, this boost might work for you.
If anyone else has actually tried testing it, as opposed to dumping in a bottle and then noting no results feel free to speak up, I'd like to hear, but I was curious and actually did test it in as controlled a situation as possible, and did get results.... I'm gonna go with that for now. If you do not have anything to compare your main tank's cycle against when using a product (or not using a product if that is your choice), of course you will not be able to see results, there is no control to test it against.
There are several people on this board with different opinions of the product, and several of them have a lot of experience like fshhub. If in doubt error on the side of someone like him who has been in this hobby for years if you are concerned, they obviously have more experience than a new member to the hobby.
I agree that this is not a hobby that should be rushed, and even after you have good parameters you should still wait, but unless you have honestly given something a shot and have reasonable results from it to say it did not work, I would have a hard time agreeing with making the automatic assumption that it a waste of time and money. A number of things could have killed $300.00 worth of fish, or caused a cycle to slow down. Aquariums are in most cases not clinical, and are prone to a number of outside influences.
The product is not an "instant fix" or a way to make it so that you do not need to properly cycle and maintain your tank. It is simply an additive that may assist you in culturing bacteria colonies in your tank. It is not going to turbo boost your bacteria cultures, as there is only so much area for them to affix to, but if your cycle is stuck in the ammonia or nitrite, even nitrate stage, this boost might work for you.
If anyone else has actually tried testing it, as opposed to dumping in a bottle and then noting no results feel free to speak up, I'd like to hear, but I was curious and actually did test it in as controlled a situation as possible, and did get results.... I'm gonna go with that for now. If you do not have anything to compare your main tank's cycle against when using a product (or not using a product if that is your choice), of course you will not be able to see results, there is no control to test it against.
There are several people on this board with different opinions of the product, and several of them have a lot of experience like fshhub. If in doubt error on the side of someone like him who has been in this hobby for years if you are concerned, they obviously have more experience than a new member to the hobby.