Militia Accused of Plotting War on U.S. Government

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3259133
You fear that if we allow the government to ban one type of weapon, then it's a foregone conclusion that they will ban them all. That's what I mean by fearmonger.
They already restrict fully automatic weapons. They are dangerous even for experienced shooters. It should be difficult to own one. But if you are talking about the foolish "assault weapons" ban why? They are banning a gun simply because it looks a certain way. If we allow them to do that they will draw the line wherever they want. Not just no but HELL NO.
Fear mongering? See the anti gun crowd for that. We have learned from experience. You give the government an inch and they will take your jewels, especially with the current resident at the white house

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3259165
They already restrict fully automatic weapons. They are dangerous even for experienced shooters. It should be difficult to own one. But if you are talking about the foolish "assault weapons" ban why? They are banning a gun simply because it looks a certain way. If we allow them to do that they will draw the line wherever they want. Not just no but HELL NO.
Fear mongering? See the anti gun crowd for that. We have learned from experience. You give the government an inch and they will take your jewels, especially with the current resident at the white house
Why would the ANTI-gun group fear that the Feds would put tighter regualtions on guns?

Don't think the intent for banning assault weapons is because of looks. If that were the case, they would've completely banned the AR-15, instead of just banning certain models that had particular 'accessories' (i.e grenade launcher).

 

[scottnlisa]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3258948
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926630/posts
There you go. But this is a typical action of your type. I called you out on your statement...so instead of backing up what you claim, you totally change the subject and deflect the subject because you are wrong and ignorant on the subject.
How about an article from a credited website. Like CNN, MSNBC, NBC. Not some wanna-be website. Heck I can make a better website then that one.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3259107
There's a reason why Fox is number one and they wouldn't be there if they were the right wing propaganda machine you make them out to be.
As far as disrespecting presidents the left opened that gate when Reagan was in office and both sides have taken it down hill from there.
Speaking of Fox you should catch the rerun of Beck's show tonight. I think you will find it highly interesting
. This I'm gonna have to disagree with. And use rush limbaugh as an example. He is by far the most listened to talk radio show and it is purely because he speaks his mind. So IMO if foxnews was truly a television extention of the right wing which it is not, but I can understand the confusion after looking at what NBC msnbc and CNN call news, it I'd no wonder people can't tell the difference between an editorial and actual news anymore, then they'd have a lot more viewers.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3259277
Why would the ANTI-gun group fear that the Feds would put tighter regualtions on guns?

Don't think the intent for banning assault weapons is because of looks. If that were the case, they would've completely banned the AR-15, instead of just banning certain models that had particular 'accessories' (i.e grenade launcher).
California banned them all. The fed ban was limited to the model AR with the threaded barrel and bayonet lug. Do you really think anyone who has access to a gernade is going to be going through normal channels to buy their weapons? In either case that didn't affect the operation of the weapon at all. It just meant if someone wants to use a silencer or mount a gernade launcher, which are both illegal to possess, you need a pre ban weapon.
The idea was foot in the door and next step would be to come up with an all out ban on all models. 94 election stopped that.
And it's the ANTI gun crowd that uses fear to try to push their agenda.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by scottnlisa
http:///forum/post/3259284
How about an article from a credited website. Like CNN, MSNBC, NBC. Not some wanna-be website. Heck I can make a better website then that one.
How about you back up the statement about Bin Laden rather than trying to change the subject?

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3259296
. This I'm gonna have to disagree with. And use rush limbaugh as an example. He is by far the most listened to talk radio show and it is purely because he speaks his mind. So IMO if foxnews was truly a television extention of the right wing which it is not, but I can understand the confusion after looking at what NBC msnbc and CNN call news, it I'd no wonder people can't tell the difference between an editorial and actual news anymore, then they'd have a lot more viewers.
I think I will continue to not watch any talking heads on any cable news network. Fox is the right-wing news source and MSNBC is the lefts, both pandering to their viewers. A totally un-biased news channel would probably go broke in a week because people only want to here the "truth" if it is damaging to the other side. As far as old Rush, if people wants to listen and take advice from a person with a personnal history like he has, have at it. I don't take advice from anyone who can't at least live up to my own moral standard and he falls far short.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3259133
You fear that if we allow the government to ban one type of weapon, then it's a foregone conclusion that they will ban them all. That's what I mean by fearmonger.
when have I ever stated that? No, my stance is, if you want to ban a specific type of gun (and I mean bespecific) do it through an amendment to the constitution. if it is truly what the country wants or what is right, do it that way. And I will view it as constitutional...

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by scottnlisa
http:///forum/post/3259284
How about an article from a credited website. Like CNN, MSNBC, NBC. Not some wanna-be website. Heck I can make a better website then that one.
I did what you said. now show me where bush 2 was hunting bin laden before 9/11....oh yeah, you can't. Show me where bin laden tried to assasinate bush 1...oh yeah you can't. So how does your toe jam taste?
Just for posterity..here is another link. same story.
http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=28874
In case you don't know, the author is a former Govt. Prosecutor, an author, Foremer army intelligence and works for ABC Radio.
more on the same story.
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/20...saddams_mi.php

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3259322
I think I will continue to not watch any talking heads on any cable news network. Fox is the right-wing news source and MSNBC is the lefts, both pandering to their viewers. A totally un-biased news channel would probably go broke in a week because people only want to here the "truth" if it is damaging to the other side. As far as old Rush, if people wants to listen and take advice from a person with a personnal history like he has, have at it. I don't take advice from anyone who can't at least live up to my own moral standard and he falls far short.
when you start talking about peoples pasts, I disagree you can learn a lot from people who screw up, then end up overcomming their shortfalls...
But as for foxnews. That is typically what I have on. Their actual news segments are pretty much down the middle. And I'm not blind to various arguments from both sides. Oreilly is hardly a conservative. But it is an opinion segment and it is made very clear that it is. And so is just about all their other evening shows. The difference between foxnews and say CNN is simple. CNN tries to pass off the liberal version of Hannity as news. Fox let's you know that it is a tv version of an editorial. And I can handle that.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3259341
when have I ever stated that? No, my stance is, if you want to ban a specific type of gun (and I mean bespecific) do it through an amendment to the constitution. if it is truly what the country wants or what is right, do it that way. And I will view it as constitutional...
I totally agree. Put it up for a nationwide vote and let the American people as a nation decide whether they want any type of weapons ban. I don't agree with these selective bans like they have in Cali, DC, or Chicago.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3259322
I think I will continue to not watch any talking heads on any cable news network. Fox is the right-wing news source and MSNBC is the lefts, both pandering to their viewers. A totally un-biased news channel would probably go broke in a week because people only want to here the "truth" if it is damaging to the other side. As far as old Rush, if people wants to listen and take advice from a person with a personnal history like he has, have at it. I don't take advice from anyone who can't at least live up to my own moral standard and he falls far short.
Rush Limbaugh is the political version of Howard Stern. Anything to get ratings.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3259396
Rush Limbaugh is the political version of Howard Stern. Anything to get ratings.

He does like to tweek, but you should listen to him. It is amazing how much sense he makes. Even if you don't agree with his conclusions, he does do an amazing job arguing his points.

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3259361
when you start talking about peoples pasts, I disagree you can learn a lot from people who screw up, then end up overcomming their shortfalls...
But as for foxnews. That is typically what I have on. Their actual news segments are pretty much down the middle. And I'm not blind to various arguments from both sides. Oreilly is hardly a conservative. But it is an opinion segment and it is made very clear that it is. And so is just about all their other evening shows. The difference between foxnews and say CNN is simple. CNN tries to pass off the liberal version of Hannity as news. Fox let's you know that it is a tv version of an editorial. And I can handle that.
I agree that people can make overcome shortfalls and become successful in life, but in Rush's case he had enough money and fame to buy his way out of trouble. People like Rush are blessed with success and more money than they can ever spend, yet he still finds ways to screw-up, I'm sorry but he is absolutely nothing to a person like myself and the hero worship he gets from his dito heads is ridiculous and they should consider the source. I recently helped an old guy who was teetering and I kept him from taking a nasty fall, I did not know him, but it is a small town and someone who saw what happened told me he was a Bronze Star winner and served in the Airborne, I have since asked him what he did to earn his Bronze Star and he said I never asked anyone to do anything I would not do myself. A million Rush Limbaughs is not worth one person like that and what he did as an actual American who cares about his country is worth more than all the millions Rush has made.
Fishtaco

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3259429
I agree that people can make overcome shortfalls and become successful in life, but in Rush's case he had enough money and fame to buy his way out of trouble. People like Rush are blessed with success and more money than they can ever spend, yet he still finds ways to screw-up, I'm sorry but he is absolutely nothing to a person like myself and the hero worship he gets from his dito heads is ridiculous and they should consider the source. I recently helped an old guy who was teetering and I kept him from taking a nasty fall, I did not know him, but it is a small town and someone who saw what happened told me he was a Bronze Star winner and served in the Airborne, I have since asked him what he did to earn his Bronze Star and he said I never asked anyone to do anything I would not do myself. A million Rush Limbaughs is not worth one person like that and what he did as an actual American who cares about his country is worth more than all the millions Rush has made.
Fishtaco
Who the hell is comparing Rush to a war hero?

I make no apologies to Rush haven't been addicted to

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, and not being able to hold down a marrage. But seriously how many people have? I find it ironic, we had a prez cheating on his wife in the oval office (not that I blame him for that one) and a prez today who used coke. At least Rush is smart enough to not be in public office...
I could understand you saying I don't like him because he ideas are wrong and here is why. But to completely disregard someone because of failing in his past, it seems to me, you can't debate the ideas...

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3259433
Who the hell is comparing Rush to a war hero?

I make no apologies to Rush haven't been addicted to

[hr]
, and not being able to hold down a marrage. But seriously how many people have? I find it ironic, we had a prez cheating on his wife in the oval office (not that I blame him for that one) and a prez today who used coke. At least Rush is smart enough to not be in public office...
I could understand you saying I don't like him because he ideas are wrong and here is why. But to completely disregard someone because of failing in his past, it seems to me, you can't debate the ideas...
I find it very easy to completely disregard Rush, I could also comment on the content of his programming but that has been done both here and many other places before so why bother? Sorry, but I have a independant streak a mile wide and absolutely refuse to let a person like Rush have any influence on how I think. Rush found a formula that centers around 4 hours of complete negativity and has made a fortune off it, again nothing special and won't listen to it. Pretty easy to prove my point, go listen to Rush speak or go see one of your favorite musicians and then check your blood pressure afterwords. LOL
Fishtaco

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3259429
I agree that people can make overcome shortfalls and become successful in life, but in Rush's case he had enough money and fame to buy his way out of trouble. People like Rush are blessed with success and more money than they can ever spend, yet he still finds ways to screw-up, I'm sorry but he is absolutely nothing to a person like myself and the hero worship he gets from his dito heads is ridiculous and they should consider the source. I recently helped an old guy who was teetering and I kept him from taking a nasty fall, I did not know him, but it is a small town and someone who saw what happened told me he was a Bronze Star winner and served in the Airborne, I have since asked him what he did to earn his Bronze Star and he said I never asked anyone to do anything I would not do myself. A million Rush Limbaughs is not worth one person like that and what he did as an actual American who cares about his country is worth more than all the millions Rush has made.
Fishtaco
In Limbaughs drug case being who he was got him in more trouble. Joe citizen doing what he did would have been allowed to slip into rehab and it would have been done, maybe a fine or something. Limbaugh was in the sites of a politically motivated presecution which blew it up into a lot bigger deal than it needed to be so I wouldn't say he bought his way out of anything.
What I find amuzing was even jacked on Oxy he ran rings around the liberals

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3259460
I find it very easy to completely disregard Rush, I could also comment on the content of his programming but that has been done both here and many other places before so why bother? Sorry, but I have a independant streak a mile wide and absolutely refuse to let a person like Rush have any influence on how I think. Rush found a formula that centers around 4 hours of complete negativity and has made a fortune off it, again nothing special and won't listen to it. Pretty easy to prove my point, go listen to Rush speak or go see one of your favorite musicians and then check your blood pressure afterwords. LOL
Fishtaco
Oh Dude!!! Come on! Unless you are a mind numb liberal Rush has some funny bits. I listen to him a few times a month. Does that make me a dittohead?

 

[scsinet]

Originally Posted by scottnlisa
http:///forum/post/3258932
I will as soon as you show me what evidence that gave the USA the right to invade Iraq and disreguard the U.N. Here I'll help you out 1) Oil 2)WMD. Okay why are we the world police? Secondly where are the WMD's? Show me articles, pictures, or use crayons to draw some. They don't exist nor have they ever.
All too often we hear the left saying "Well Bush did this so, we can do that." It's unbelievably hypocritical to criticize Bush's actions in one breath, while using his actions to justify current actions in the other. You can't have it both ways... critcize Bush and also use his actions to justify your own.
What does the legitmacy or illegitmacy of our invasion of Iraq have to do with justifying a totally unsubstantiated position that we were hunting Bin Laden before 9/11?
Assuming for a moment, that Bush completely lied about the WMDs as you imply, that doesn't give you the right to make equally false statements about us hunting Bin Laden. It's hypocritical.
I for one do not believe that, as it played out, that we made the right decision in invading Iraq. However, how long do we have to wait before accepting that what is done is done, and moving on with some forward motion. We continue to dwell on what Bush did, over 15 months ago MINIMUM, instead of looking ahead and understanding how we move forward.

 

[fishtaco]

Oh Dude!!! Come on! Unless you are a mind numb liberal Rush has some funny bits. I listen to him a few times a month. Does that make me a dittohead?

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Reef, I had a really funny reply, but in the interest of peace I will keep it to myself

. I don't know I guess it is just the way I am, but blowhards are really hard for me to tolerate regardless of the subject. Maybe it's because my life is so quite and peaceful and it is just a volume thing? Anyway, you guys have a good day and it has been a pleasure as always. I need to go out and get my yard and pasture mowed while we have a break in the weather, no talk radio for me while I'm working though, I think maybe some Elton John, then some Rush, followed by maybe some John Lee Hooker will my listening choices.
Fishtaco