Militia Accused of Plotting War on U.S. Government

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3259493
Oh Dude!!! Come on! Unless you are a mind numb liberal Rush has some funny bits. I listen to him a few times a month. Does that make me a dittohead?

[/QUOT]
Reef, I had a really funny reply, but in the interest of peace I will keep it to myself

. I don't know I guess it is just the way I am, but blowhards are really hard for me to tolerate regardless of the subject. Maybe it's because my life is so quite and peaceful and it is just a volume thing? Anyway, you guys have a good day and it has been a pleasure as always. I need to go out and get my yard and pasture mowed while we have a break in the weather, no talk radio for me while I'm working though, I think maybe some Elton John, then some Rush, followed by maybe some John Lee Hooker will my listening choices.
Fishtaco
Save Limbaugh for when you need to chop wood. It'll give you a little extra energy in your swings

I guess if I took Limbaugh seriously the blowhard thing would bother me too.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3259342
I did what you said. now show me where bush 2 was hunting bin laden before 9/11....oh yeah, you can't. Show me where bin laden tried to assasinate bush 1...oh yeah you can't. So how does your toe jam taste?
Just for posterity..here is another link. same story.
http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=28874
In case you don't know, the author is a former Govt. Prosecutor, an author, Foremer army intelligence and works for ABC Radio.
more on the same story.
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/20...saddams_mi.php
Clinton was railed after 9/11 because he supposedly had a chance to kill Bin Laden but didn't. Are you saying that all the Intel Clinton and the CIA had on Bin Laden wasn't given to Dubya when he came into office, and Dubya just tossed all that work in the trash and ignored Bin Laden altogether? You need to read "Ghost Wars" and see what the CIA knew about Bin Laden before 9/11. Here's an exceprt of Clinton's efforts tot try and catch Bin Laden:
Capturing Osama bin Laden has been an objective of the United States government since the presidency of Bill Clinton. Shortly after the September 11 attacks it was revealed that President Clinton had signed a directive authorizing the CIA (and specifically their elite Special Activities Division) to apprehend bin Laden and bring him to the United States to stand trial after the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Africa; if taking bin Laden alive was deemed impossible, then deadly force was authorized. On August 20, 1998, 66 cruise missiles launched by United States Navy ships in the Arabian Sea struck bin Laden's training camps near Khost in Afghanistan, narrowly missing him by a few hours. In 1999 the CIA, together with Pakistani military intelligence, had prepared a team of approximately 60 Pakistani commandos to infiltrate Afghanistan to capture or kill bin Laden, but the plan was aborted by the 1999 Pakistani coup d'état; in 2000, foreign operatives working on behalf of the CIA had fired a rocket-propelled grenade at a convoy of vehicles in which bin Laden was traveling through the mountains of Afghanistan, hitting one of the vehicles but not the one in which bin Laden was riding.
In 2000, prior to the September 11 attacks, Paul Bremer characterized the Clinton administration as "correctly focused on bin Laden", while Robert Oakley criticized their "obsession with Osama".

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3259540
Clinton was railed after 9/11 because he supposedly had a chance to kill Bin Laden but didn't. Are you saying that all the Intel Clinton and the CIA had on Bin Laden wasn't given to Dubya when he came into office, and Dubya just tossed all that work in the trash and ignored Bin Laden altogether? You need to read "Ghost Wars" and see what the CIA knew about Bin Laden before 9/11. Here's an exceprt of Clinton's efforts tot try and catch Bin Laden:
Capturing Osama bin Laden has been an objective of the United States government since the presidency of Bill Clinton. Shortly after the September 11 attacks it was revealed that President Clinton had signed a directive authorizing the CIA (and specifically their elite Special Activities Division) to apprehend bin Laden and bring him to the United States to stand trial after the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Africa; if taking bin Laden alive was deemed impossible, then deadly force was authorized. On August 20, 1998, 66 cruise missiles launched by United States Navy ships in the Arabian Sea struck bin Laden's training camps near Khost in Afghanistan, narrowly missing him by a few hours. In 1999 the CIA, together with Pakistani military intelligence, had prepared a team of approximately 60 Pakistani commandos to infiltrate Afghanistan to capture or kill bin Laden, but the plan was aborted by the 1999 Pakistani coup d'état; in 2000, foreign operatives working on behalf of the CIA had fired a rocket-propelled grenade at a convoy of vehicles in which bin Laden was traveling through the mountains of Afghanistan, hitting one of the vehicles but not the one in which bin Laden was riding.
In 2000, prior to the September 11 attacks, Paul Bremer characterized the Clinton administration as "correctly focused on bin Laden", while Robert Oakley criticized their "obsession with Osama".
I know what Clinton did and didn't do. The poster (whose defense you come to again, instead of calling them out on their lunacy) claimed Bush1 had an assasination attempt on him by bin laden and his son little bush was actively hunting bin laden because of it.
That is what I want proof of.....because THAT never happenned.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3259460
I find it very easy to completely disregard Rush, I could also comment on the content of his programming but that has been done both here and many other places before so why bother? Sorry, but I have a independant streak a mile wide and absolutely refuse to let a person like Rush have any influence on how I think. Rush found a formula that centers around 4 hours of complete negativity and has made a fortune off it, again nothing special and won't listen to it. Pretty easy to prove my point, go listen to Rush speak or go see one of your favorite musicians and then check your blood pressure afterwords. LOL
Fishtaco
Seeing that you fall in lock step with every other "major" or "traditional" media outlet in your views of Rush... I'm failing to see the independent thinking...

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3259540
Clinton was railed after 9/11 because he supposedly had a chance to kill Bin Laden but didn't. Are you saying that all the Intel Clinton and the CIA had on Bin Laden wasn't given to Dubya when he came into office, and Dubya just tossed all that work in the trash and ignored Bin Laden altogether? You need to read "Ghost Wars" and see what the CIA knew about Bin Laden before 9/11. Here's an exceprt of Clinton's efforts tot try and catch Bin Laden:
Capturing Osama bin Laden has been an objective of the United States government since the presidency of Bill Clinton. Shortly after the September 11 attacks it was revealed that President Clinton had signed a directive authorizing the CIA (and specifically their elite Special Activities Division) to apprehend bin Laden and bring him to the United States to stand trial after the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Africa; if taking bin Laden alive was deemed impossible, then deadly force was authorized. On August 20, 1998, 66 cruise missiles launched by United States Navy ships in the Arabian Sea struck bin Laden's training camps near Khost in Afghanistan, narrowly missing him by a few hours. In 1999 the CIA, together with Pakistani military intelligence, had prepared a team of approximately 60 Pakistani commandos to infiltrate Afghanistan to capture or kill bin Laden, but the plan was aborted by the 1999 Pakistani coup d'état; in 2000, foreign operatives working on behalf of the CIA had fired a rocket-propelled grenade at a convoy of vehicles in which bin Laden was traveling through the mountains of Afghanistan, hitting one of the vehicles but not the one in which bin Laden was riding.
In 2000, prior to the September 11 attacks, Paul Bremer characterized the Clinton administration as "correctly focused on bin Laden", while Robert Oakley criticized their "obsession with Osama".
yawn, you can talk and talk, still doesn't change this quote by Clinton...
"Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan," Clinton explained to a February 15 Long Island Association luncheon.
"He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991 then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start meeting with them again.
"They released him," the ex-president confirmed.
"At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.
He turned down the extradition...
Although they did go after him a few times.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in635038.shtml

 

[bionicarm]

Did Bin Laden try to assinate Bush? This CNN report claims he was going to try:
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/e...ssia.binladen/
Here's a conspiracy piece on Bush's knowledge of possible attacks on the US prior to 9/11 in some declassified President's Daily Briefing Memo:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php..._Briefing_Memo
This is a PDF of the actual released brief:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/...db8-6-2001.pdf
Here's an interesting timeline of all knowledge and attempts to capture or kill Bin Laden from as far back as 1991, up to when 9/11 occurred. Look at page two for all the year 2000 - 2001 references (Uh, wasn't Dubya President then)?
http://www.historycommons.org/timeli...untForBinLaden

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3259554
Did Bin Laden try to assinate Bush? This CNN report claims he was going to try:
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/e...ssia.binladen/
Here's a conspiracy piece on Bush's knowledge of possible attacks on the US prior to 9/11 in some declassified President's Daily Briefing Memo:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php..._Briefing_Memo
This is a PDF of the actual released brief:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/...db8-6-2001.pdf
Here's an interesting timeline of all knowledge and attempts to capture or kill Bin Laden from as far back as 1991, up to when 9/11 occurred. Look at page two for all the year 2000 references (Uh, wasn't Dubya President then)?
http://www.historycommons.org/timeli...untForBinLaden
Dubya was President 2001.....

Planning an assasination and attempting it are not the same...Oh, and which bush was that attempt on? Oh yeah, the second one, NOT his dad.

 

[bionicarm]

Yea, I modifed that. Read the info in detail. You stated "now show me where bush 2 was hunting bin laden before 9/11". Think this timeline report pretty much disputes that statement. Unless you're going to split hairs and say 'knowing Bin Laden existed' and 'actually attempting to kill or capture Bin Laden' isn't your definition of 'hunting down'.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3259560
Yea, I modifed that. Read the info in detail. You stated "now show me where bush 2 was hunting bin laden before 9/11". Think this timeline report pretty much disputes that statement. Unless you're going to split hairs and say 'knowing Bin Laden existed' and 'actually attempting to kill or capture Bin Laden' isn't your definition of 'hunting down'.

I know you exist...even discussed your activities with a few here. Does this mean I am actively hunting you down? Everything in 2001 before 9/11 was only discussion...

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3259577
I know you exist...even discussed your activities with a few here. Does this mean I am actively hunting you down? Everything in 2001 before 9/11 was only discussion...
I guess if you want to go with that premise you can. But I can't believe you're that naive to think that Bush had no idea what the CIA or anyone else was doing to try and catch or kill Bin Laden and any other leader of the Al Qaeda faction. I guess he also wasn't 'hunting down' Sadaam.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3259602
I guess if you want to go with that premise you can. But I can't believe you're that naive to think that Bush had no idea what the CIA or anyone else was doing to try and catch or kill Bin Laden and any other leader of the Al Qaeda faction. I guess he also wasn't 'hunting down' Sadaam.

I will not deny some elements within our government were seeking Osama actively, Due to past actions against this country and our allies. However not to the degree scottnlisa imply it was. Other elements were not onboard...so it was more like searching for easter eggs from an airplane.. Al Qaeda had alreqady hit us numerous times before 9/11....and it wasn't because we were searching for Osama. In my Opinion, to think this is why and a prime example of our "interference" is the pinnacle of stupidity.

 

[reefraff]

Lets assume W had been trying to have Bin Laden killed. Lets even assume Bin Laden had attempted to assassinate George the first (people with an above room temperature IQ will know that was Hussein). How many times did Bin Laden hit US interests in the 90's? How many servicemen did he kill? To say we got what we deserved on 9-11 is the statement of someone with a serious mental defect.