More like a Halloween tank :)

sueandherzoo

Active Member
Guess we might as well give up the "Christmas tank" thread since you all know by now that I'm going to be buying this stuff in the next few days.

Can someone explain to me in beginner's terms the different types of filtration available when building your own tank? HOB (hang on back?) is one I hear a lot about, then there is canister, and then sump? Or do you add sump in ADDITION to one of the other types? If you don't want to explain how each type works maybe you know of a link where there are diagrams or good facts about the different kinds? Either that or just tell me what you think would be the best filtration for a horse tank around 40 gallons.
Thanks.
Sue
 

novahobbies

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Oh, this will be fun.
Basic filters:
HOB (hang-on back) or HOT (hang-on tank) style filters: Very simple to maintain, cheaper than most cannisters, and reliable. A HOB filter is essentially a plastic box that hangs off of the back of the lip of the tank. A water inlet pulls tank water up from the tank, through a set of physical filter floss, a carbon insert, and sometimes a biological filter sponge, and pours it back into the tank. The filter that rykna showed you was a HOB filter. I use a HOB for my H. reidi tank and I've been happy with it. The Emperor 400 style filter is very nice for a 40-ish gallon tank, with plenty of water movement. It has "biowheels," similar to your 12 gallon eclipse but larger.
Cannister filters: these can either hang on the back of your aquarium or sit below the aquarium. The beauty of these filters is in their water turnover....you can generally find a cannister that moves much more water than a HOB filter. Cannister filters can also go below, so there is less clutter on your tank. The water return on a cannister filter can also be routed into a spraybar so the surface of the water is broken up, increasing gas exchange.
Sumps: First, for a basic seahorse tank, don't worry about 'em. You COULD plumb one in, and in fact it's not a bad idea to consider down the road after you get a feel for the tank. A sump is a separate tank alltogether that sits under your main aquarium....for a 40-ish gallon tank, a sump of 15 to 20 gallons is more than enough. You would use an overflow unit that angs off the back of your tank to route water via natural siphon down to the sump tank. In your sump, you can have all the equipment you'll need to keep the tank healthy: you have a prefilter sponge to filter out the tank gook, then a bag of carbon, then you can fit your protein skimmer and heater in your sump. You can also make a spot for a refugium in the sump, and throw in some chaeto algae and live rock to help your filtration. Finally, you'll need a return pump and fittings to get the tank water back UP to the display tank.
And yes...you could put a cannister or a HOB filter as additional filtration on the back of the sump tank. If you really wanted to.
I love sump filters.....but I really don't think it's something you should try on your first tank. I have a Cascade 300 HOB on the back of my seahorse tank, and it's pretty nice. If I was to put a new tank together with a HOB filter, though, I would probably use the Emperor 400. More flow, and more filtering capability.
Besides which, HOB filters are almost as "plug'n'play" simple as you're going to get. Just slap it on the tank, fill the back with water, add your filter plates and turn it on! Easy-peasy.
I don't have enough personal experience to comment much on cannister filters...if someone else does I hope they chime in. But again, there is a bit of plumbing involved with a cannister filter, and I'm not sure if you want to get into that just yet.
 

sueandherzoo

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Thank you. That's EXACTLY what I was hoping for in the way of simple and easy-to-understand basic concepts. I know for a fact that I am not ready for a sump so I'm relieved you didn't think it was mandatory on the horse tank. Maybe someday, maybe down the road if I get bored . . . but not yet. OK, so my two choices are HOB or cannister. Let's figure out the tank first and then we'll decide on the filter. I took some cell phone photos of the stats and price tags of several tanks that I thought were possibilities so as soon as I download them off my phone I will list the stats and ask you to help me decide on one. Stay tuned...... my real life keeps interfering with my hobby life. :(
Sue
 

teresaq

Active Member
Hi, I Love a good canister filter for a horse tank. When I had my 37 gal tall set up, it kept my tank nice and clean since lrg horses can be messy.
There is no plumbing to them, other then attaching the hoses and hanging them on the tank. They just need to be cleaned once a month or so.
I also like the fact that you can attach a spray bar to them for a nice even flow through the tank.
TeresaQ
 

sueandherzoo

Active Member
Thanks Theresa - I have decided on a canister with maybe a HOB too for additional filtration. Is there a specific cannister you recommend? I was going to just go for a Fluval unless you have other suggestions.
Also, since I bought a 46 gallon bowfront last night for the horses, how big should I go with the cannister. I don't remember the exact gallonage but there were two at the store that could work....one did 70 gallons and the next size up did a LOT more than that. Is it possible to get one that is TOO big for a tank or would bigger be better?
Sue
 

teresaq

Active Member
I have never had a fluval, I have a rena and a magnum 350 without the bio wheel and like both. The one for a 70 gal tank should be fine.
 

jemshores

Member
I LUV my Rena XP3 (55 g hex)...you can play with the media some. I use 3 sponges in the bottom, then ceramic rings and finally Chemi Pure Elite w/ a polishing pad-tank is sparkling and the spray bar is the way to go. The hoses do need to be cleaned out monthly-just detach the whole apparatus from the filter, take outside and blow with a hose. If you choose to use a HOB too, then I would go with my carbon in there. When you see the flow (canister)start to slow, then you know its time for quick clean! I wash out all media in my water change water, replace, put new water in Rena, prime and go. And its quiet! I do have a sump on my 75FW-still trying to get rid of those fish and do a SW tank-but no one wants parrots as big as saucers!!
 

sueandherzoo

Active Member
Thanks all - the online search for the canister, HOB, and protein skimmer begins this weekend. It's good to know there are other brands that people are happy with - I just assumed everyone would tell me to go for a Fluval.
Bought a stand tonight for the 46 gallon bowfront so will hopefully set it up by Sunday afternoon (already commited all day Saturday) and can then start making RO water, slowly but surely, and starting to fill the new tank.
How meticulous do I have to be about cleaning out the tank before putting in the water? It was the floor model at the LFS - do I need to really scrub with soap and water and/or bleach or is just a rinse with the hose sufficient? Any horror stories of these tanks coming with something horrible in them?
(Yes, I'm getting obsessive and paranoid!)

Sue
 

novahobbies

Well-Known Member
no soap, no bleach. Make a solution with tap water and vinegar. that'll take care of pretty much any funk and grime you'll find. The grimier the tank, the stronger the vinegar sol'n.
My first saltwater tank was a 55 gallon tank that used to be a freshwater setup, then had languished in a storage shed for years before I came upon it. It had NOT been cleaned out before it was stored. Let me tell you........
:shudder:
....better yet, maybe you don't want to know.
 

sueandherzoo

Active Member
Hi Rick.
Are you saying you found all sorts of "science projects" in the tank?

Actually, this tank was on a shelf at the LFS, had shiny streamers (like Easter basket grass) in the bottom, and had a full light and hood covering it so I don't really think it's dirty at all. Possibly some dust and fingerprints but nothing serious. But I didn't want to hear later on down the road that "oh my God - you didn't sterilize the tank before using it?!?!?" so I thought I'd check first. I'm going to do everything right if at all possible, d*mn it!

OK, no Windex on the inside - maybe I'll just wipe out the insides with weak water/vinegar solution and then hit it with a hose.
Sue
 
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