My fish died. Need help.

I did a 50% water change today on my 30 gallon tank. I tested everything. Everything was fine but ammonia. It was still very low, but i asked my dad if U should put the fish back in the tank. He said it was ok to put them in, and we bought some ammonia lowering stuff off tge internet. It should come in 2 days. We went to watch a movie, then I went to bed. Something made me get up just now. So late, but I saw that both fish were dead. They were fine for about an hour, i know that. My dad had this tank even before he gave it to me, and it's okd, but how high do ammonia rates have to be before they're harmful? I got the fish for Christmas last year.
 
You want ammonia to read 0. Also, I'd be careful about putting additives in your tank. There's a reason why ammonia is jumping up, and I'd try to figure that out instead of putting a band aid on the problem.
You said your dad had the tank before you. Was it running the whole time? Did you move it when he gave it to you?
 
Im 16, so i still live at home. The tank has been running the whole time he had it, and the whole time i've had it. No down time. I never put anything in the tank other than stress coat for the fish. How high does ammonia have to be to kill the fish?
 

sweatervest13

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Originally Posted by aquariumgirl16 http:///t/396050/my-fish-died-need-help#post_3527965
Im 16, so i still live at home. The tank has been running the whole time he had it, and the whole time i've had it. No down time. I never put anything in the tank other than stress coat for the fish. How high does ammonia have to be to kill the fish?
Any reading over 0 can potentially kill fish.
Sorry for your troubles. Is this a Salt water tank?? Just curious, because you said add back the fish after the water change, and you added stress coat. Removing fish for a water change, doing a 50% water change,and adding stress coat all kind of sound like a freshwater tank maintenance to me.
 
It is a saltwater tank. I changed the water because the nitrates were high. When I get new fish, which would you recommend? I like the shrimp, but I also hate taking out their skins(dont know what they're called).
 

sweatervest13

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Originally Posted by aquariumgirl16 http:///t/396050/my-fish-died-need-help#post_3527973
It is a saltwater tank. I changed the water because the nitrates were high. When I get new fish, which would you recommend? I like the shrimp, but I also hate taking out their skins(dont know what they're called).
Okay cool!!!
First you need to make sure that the ammonia issues is fixed and you have a 0 reading. I like the Green Reef Chromis. Those might look pretty cool. They are pretty hardy fish. I like the shrimp too. I have a couple of skunk cleaner shrimp in my tank. They molt (the old "skin" are just called "molts") about once a month. I just let the tank's clean up crew take care of the molts. I have never removed one. Most of the time one of my LPS corals will get eat the molt.
Good luck and enjoy the hobby!!
 


30 gallon tank. Do I need a bubbler thing? My old one broke. It was like 40 years old. If I do, where can I get a good one, small in size. All my test results went up, and pH went down. That's a bad sign. I'm going to test our tap water.

Is the API a good brand to test with? I've been using this. Before, i used Doc Wellfish, but I couldn't find it anywhere.
 

beth

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Is the water you used to do the 50% water change tab? How long did you allow the salt to mix? What is the pH in the tank?
What filters do you have on your tank? Are you using a skimmer? Do you have live rock and live sand?
Details.
 

sweatervest13

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Hey Aquariumgirl16.
Your tank is in the middle of a cycle. You need to let it cycle before adding anything else living. API are just fine to start with. Keep testing every couple of days.
There are some "sticky" treads on top of the new hobbyists section that I recommend reading that will get you some basic background knowledge on SW fish keeping. They will explain the cycle, flow in a saltwater tank, filtration, maintenance, and equipment. Do some reading and researching, come back and ask some questions. There are a lot of helpful folks on this site that want to see you succeed
 
I have a canister filter. Under the tank. Should I use a air bubble thing to blow bubbles in the tank? No I do not have live rock or sand, but plan on maybe getting some. Going to restart my aquarium once the water gets better. pH is about 7.2 that's bad, i know. Nitrates abd nitrites arre high, ammonia too. Going to wait a few days to see if they go down due to no fish being in the tank. I had the salt mix and filter through for about an hour and a half.
 

beth

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You know what, from the sound of things, my best advise is that you work on the quality of your system, rather then think about adding more animals at this point. Invest in making the envrionment awesome for fish and other animals.
Do you have powerheads? No skimmer?
Absolutely no bubbler. That is not appropriate for SW systems.
What are you using for substrate?
 
I have a 33 gallon & similar setup.
I'd recommend adding more live rock. I think I've got around 70lbs in my tank. I think a good rule of thumb is like 2lbs per gallon, especially if you are relying on a canister filter for filtration.
I'd make sure your canister is in good working order. Make sure the media inside of the canister has been changed.
I'd then get some kind of protein skimmer. I use a Hang on the back for my tank. You also need at least two power heads. One pointed at the surface of the water (almost looks like water is boiling). And the other pointed towards the rocks to keep good water flow over them.
I would not use tap water. I use a ro system, but even if you have to buy distilled water from Walmart, it's better than tap. Tap water will cause all kinds of issues in your tank.
This hobby is expensive at first, but once you get things setup, the cost isn't bad for a basic setup.
Do things slow. It'll only cost you more money if you do everything fast & not the right way the first time.
Do not add fish to your tank though with those readings. Your tank is cycling.
 
I have a false bottom. Bottom filters to the same canister filter as the top. Fish have lasted for years. Before I think about fish, im thinking about getting sand, and maybe a live rock.
 
Ammonia is very dangerous for fish and you should not have any amount of Ammonia in the tank. There is not any other reason for you fish to die. The next time you make sure that this is going to happen. If you are not sure about anything, then at-least try to find answer here.
 

flower

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Build live rock about halfway up the tank. 2, or even 1 pound per gallon would have the tank so full of rock, the fish have no place to even swim. I use fake resin décor, plus live rock, because I like the look...IMO solid rock all over is just ugly, unless you have pretty coral to put on the ledges. Fish only systems need a little help. I used columns in my 56g, and a ships wheel and an anchor in the 90g. I am a believer in having live rock, but it doesn't need to be so over abundant.
Another big plus to keep the water pristine is using macroalgae, it feeds on the phosphates, ammonia, nitrites and nitrates...all the bad stuff that kills your fish and inverts. I really love the caulerpa prolifera, it looks like sea-grass. When the macros grow, it absorbs all the afore mentioned out of the water, and when you remove the overgrowth (called harvesting) you export it out completely. It takes time, it isn't an instant fix, but it's the best thing I have ever found for keeping a tank in tip top shape. Check out Golf coast eco systems
. Decorative macros are not the cheato type, that folks put in their refugiums, it's pretty stuff, as colorful and cool looking as any coral.
API test kits give false high readings on nitrates. I use the Seachem brand myself, the Salifert brand has good reviews from folks here who use it. I really liked the Instant Ocean brand as well, but Seachem comes with a regent for each test, to be able to double check the results.
Without enough surfaces to allow the good bacteria to grow on, you must rely on the filter media, and if you swap out that media in a canister, the ammonia will climb each time you clean it. Some people only swap out 1/2 of the media at a time to prevent that. I NEVER removed the fish while I did water changes, the only time my fish saw a bucket was when they were being moved from one place to another.
I have seahorses, so I use bubblers (no stone) it won't hurt your fish if you use air lines, but salt-creep is a nightmare. It really isn't a good way to move the water. The wave is the life of the ocean, and creating the wave will mimic nature, and keep your tank with good oxygen exchange. A couple of power heads. Koralia type brands with a magnet, to have it stay put...maxijets just shoot a jet stream, and what you need is a wave not a jet stream. Make that surface boil as fattytwobyfour explained.
You must have the tank ready before you add any fish or inverts... the water without any ammonia, or nitrites. Fish don't care about nitrates, even in the 100s, but over 40 will kill inverts. As for what fish to select...get this book.

A page so you can see the info it offers

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beth

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On-line sources can be a good reference for info, however, better to find more info then what may be available in the info section of stores.
 

pixievixi

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I would add nite out. it adds bacteria to your tank that convert ammonia to nitrite to nitrate.( some one correct me if I'm wrong) then do ten percent changes 1-2 times a week till your nitrates go lower. I did this method for starting my tank and the tank stabilized in a month and a half. but I added fish and live rock during this time also. my tank is almost 2 1/2 mons old and I'm adding corals. I would qt though
 
If the nitrites get higher, the shrimp would die. I have stuff to lower ammonia and nitrites. I've been looking up stuff to lower nitrates. Does sugar really work, or is it bad for the fish? How can I get my pH back to 8.4? It's kinda low.
 
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