New gun law?

[pontius]

Originally Posted by fishkiller
Though this has been discussed beyond the scope I expected, to defend my statement, I had been told by every law enforcement officer who checked my guns almost every time I was pulled over that there was no problem with me posessing
handguns in my vehicle. I was pulled over MANY times before I was 21, and had my guns checked by the cop almost every time. Many of them did not even want to see them after me telling them that I had firearms in the car. That's always the first thing I tell em. If it IS illegal for someone under 21 to have a pistol, then I must be a real smooth talker.

it sounds like you were pulled over by some very lazy cops who didn't want to go through the hassle of an arrest and the paperwork and paper trail of an illegal gun charge. but yeah, you can't legally possess a handgun under 21.

 

[fishkiller]

lol ... I don't know man. All I know is 1) I bought my 1 st pistol at 18 from my brother 2) You must be 21 to be able to obtain a carry permit 3) You must be 21 to buy a pistol from a dealer 4) You do not need a carry permit to own a pistol or to have it in your glove box or the trunk 5) No cop has ever suggested anything wrong with having a pistol in the glove box of my car under 21, but over 18. If it is, in fact, illegal for a person under 21 (but over 18) to have a handgun in the glove box of their vehicle, then there are A LOT of very lazy cops in Georgia!

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by fishkiller
lol ... I don't know man. All I know is 1) I bought my 1 st pistol at 18 from my brother 2) You must be 21 to be able to obtain a carry permit 3) You must be 21 to buy a pistol from a dealer 4) You do not need a carry permit to own a pistol or to have it in your glove box or the trunk 5) No cop has ever suggested anything wrong with having a pistol in the glove box of my car under 21, but over 18. If it is, in fact, illegal for a person under 21 (but over 18) to have a handgun in the glove box of their vehicle, then there are A LOT of very lazy cops in Georgia!
I don't know. I don't live in Georgia so I guess you'd have to find a cop or lawyer to ask to know for sure. I don't believe that's legal though

 

[aw2x3]

Originally Posted by fishkiller
lol ... I don't know man. All I know is 1) I bought my 1 st pistol at 18 from my brother 2) You must be 21 to be able to obtain a carry permit 3) You must be 21 to buy a pistol from a dealer 4) You do not need a carry permit to own a pistol or to have it in your glove box or the trunk 5) No cop has ever suggested anything wrong with having a pistol in the glove box of my car under 21, but over 18. If it is, in fact, illegal for a person under 21 (but over 18) to have a handgun in the glove box of their vehicle, then there are A LOT of very lazy cops in Georgia!
Whether of not you're purchasing from a dealer of an individual person (your brother, in this case), it is federally illegal to sell to someone who is under 21 years of age. It doesn't matter what state you're in, etc...What you and your brother did is a federal offense.
In the same right, if it is illegal to purchase, under the age of 21, I do not see how it is legal to possess a firearm, period. If you're under 21, it's not legally your gun. It would have to be registered to another party and if you're caught with it, that's being caught with someone elses liscensed weapon. I just can't see how that's legal.
Illinois has some of the most strict gun laws, in the country. There is no issue of CCW and that includes knives, stun guns and pepper spray. All are considered illegal, to carry on your person. Do the police strictly enforce those laws?...of course not. You see guys carrying pocket knives, on their belts all the time. But, they do strictly enfore firearm laws.
I possess not only a state issued FOID card, but I also have my Federal Firearms Card, which enables me to purchase semi-automatic assault rifles, etc. Even with those qualifications, I do not travel with and/or carry and type of firearm in my vehicle, other than to and from where I'm going shooting.
IMO, no matter what state you live in, no matter your qualifications, you SHOULD NOT be allowed to possess any type of firearm, before the age of 21. I know that the minimum age for long guns is 18, but I do not agree with it.

 

[fishkiller]

And how many 18, 19, and 20 yr olds are running around Iraq with guns that put ours to shame?

 

[aw2x3]

Originally Posted by fishkiller
And how many 18, 19, and 20 yr olds are running around Iraq with guns that put ours to shame?
That's completely, 100% different. We're private citizens...they are not.
I spent 6 years as Navy special forces, so the "well, young kids in the military can do it" arguement doesn't work with me.
I'm not bashing you and griping at you...just stating the facts.

 

[fishkiller]

Maybe we should call the police and tell them they need to tighten up their procedures with enforcing gun laws here in georgia. Here, you don't need any permit to own a semi-auto rifles. I also have a colt AR-15 and an HK-91. Both are legal and registered to me. I know that the laws here are pretty slack, but it sounds like they have a pretty tight noose around the necks of gun owners in Illinois.

 

[fishkiller]

I think you misunderstood my Iraq comment. I somewhat agree that people under 21 should not be allowed to own any gun, and I was merely commenting that most of those guys over in iraq are younger than me. Depressiing...

 

[thirty6]

i always find these topics interesting, usually for different reasons than most. i am all for gun ownership, but i dont think people should be permitted ccw status unless they are military or police. School violence is an awful thing, and may not be prevented by law abiding citizens having access to weapons, and could ultimately lead to more smaller tragic incidents that go basically unkown to the general public. just a thought from someone who has to carry for work. someone earlier stated schools are safe, you are exactly right! the schools, are safer than most people think, and the training that is given to police officers throughout the country is continuoulsy getting better. Instead of granting permission to people to carry in schools, how bout the goverment tells the parents to open up the eyes, pay attention to warning signs, and not threaten legal action everytime a trained prof. in a school or hospital says there may be a problem with your child that needs to be addressed. that is a better place to start to me. if thats the case kleibold may never have gotten the chance to carry out his plan, eric harris - he was the law "abiding citizen" that was mentioned earlier. he would not have been easily suspected in that type of incident. he even apologized to his parents in the video take just prior to the columbine incident!
just a thought...sorry to jump into an already established discussion.

 

[fishkiller]

Agreed. Today's kids are becoming more of WHAT than WHO. They are programed by everything around except their parents. If all the parents actually stepped in and gave a dam, then the home values will not be thrown in the trash once they jump back on the school bus. Kids are inherently evil. Well, not really, but they can sure seem that way. When you feed them nothing but violence and aggressive behavior, what do you think is going to happen? It grows a hunger to be that guy on tv, or that guy on the game, blowin' everybody away.

 

[vpotts28]

aw2x3, I do not know the law on a person under 21 being able to "possess" a firearm in the state of georgia. However, and I think it is very wrong, in the State of Georgia it is lawful for a gun owner to sell a firearm, and the person who purchased the gun does not have to register it with the local authorities. I am all for the right to own guns, I have many, but I do believe they (at least handguns) should be registered with the state. Also, we have the right in Georgia to carry firearms in the car, as long as they are in the glove compartment or center console. There is a law in front of the state currently that if passed, will allow us to conceal a firearm anywhere in the car.
Now back to the original thread, I believe whole heartedly that a teacher, administrator, student who has gone through proper training, should be able to carry a firearm on college grounds. High School is a different story, I would be for teachers or administrators having that privilege, but not the students. If one person would have had a firearm at VT, 32 people may still be alive. Unfortunately, one disturbed, twisted individual has to ruin the perception of firearms for the rest of us. Criminals will always be able to acquire firearms on the black market. And if they take the guns out of law abiding citizens hands, how would we be able to defend ourselves? I do not carry guns for protection, I have them for sport (or whatever you want to call it). But, I have peace of mind, that if the need for protection arises, I have and will do anything in my power to disarm the other person. God willing, it will never come to that. But if it does, I am ready, and I will shoot to kill.
I am also for teaching kids gun safety in schools, just like --- education. Trust me I know the parents should be doing this, but alot of parents now are lazy. These kids, go home watch TV, play video games that see heinous actions depicted. These kids do not know, that once you kill somebody, they are not coming back. However on TV or in Video Games, the other person always comes back, and they do not fully realize the ramnifications of taking a REAL persons life.

 

[fishkiller]

In my 28 short years, I have witnessed events that will haunt me until the day I die- events that may have ended differently had the right people been armed. These experiences were enough for me to make certain I'm armed almost anywhere I go. Unless I am on government property or in a bar, I am armed. I'd rather be in jail than dead.

 

[b bauer]

Originally Posted by AW2x3
Whether of not you're purchasing from a dealer of an individual person (your brother, in this case), it is federally illegal to sell to someone who is under 21 years of age. It doesn't matter what state you're in, etc...What you and your brother did is a federal offense.
In the same right, if it is illegal to purchase, under the age of 21, I do not see how it is legal to possess a firearm, period. If you're under 21, it's not legally your gun. It would have to be registered to another party and if you're caught with it, that's being caught with someone elses liscensed weapon. I just can't see how that's legal.
Illinois has some of the most strict gun laws, in the country. There is no issue of CCW and that includes knives, stun guns and pepper spray. All are considered illegal, to carry on your person. Do the police strictly enforce those laws?...of course not. You see guys carrying pocket knives, on their belts all the time. But, they do strictly enfore firearm laws.
I possess not only a state issued FOID card, but I also have my Federal Firearms Card, which enables me to purchase semi-automatic assault rifles, etc. Even with those qualifications, I do not travel with and/or carry and type of firearm in my vehicle, other than to and from where I'm going shooting.
IMO, no matter what state you live in, no matter your qualifications, you SHOULD NOT be allowed to possess any type of firearm, before the age of 21. I know that the minimum age for long guns is 18, but I do not agree with it.
there is no such thing as a semi-automatic assault rifle.assault weapons are selectable fire ie full auto or semi and I live in NY any one without a record can buy a semi auto with out a fed license.

 

[vpotts28]

Originally Posted by b bauer
there is no such thing as a semi-automatic assault rifle.assault weapons are selectable fire ie full auto or semi and I live in NY any one without a record can buy a semi auto with out a fed license.
This is not true, there are semi-auto assault weapons you can purchase. Such as a sks or aks which are russian or chinese sniper rifles. I own one. That said, I also do not believe that a citizen should be able to own a fully auto weapon. This should be reserved for the armed forces or tactical law enforcement. But if we allow the government to only ban such weapons, in the future they will scratch and claw their way into other weapons. You give them an inch, they take a mile.

 

[fishkiller]

From what I have researched, all I would need to be able to own a full-auto or any class-3 weapon is a class-3 weapons permit. I know that once you have the permit, the paperwork must be with the weapons at all times. It mostly involves some serious paperwork and annual fees. A-134, here I come!!!

 

[wattsupdoc]

Recently here in MO. We passed the CCW law. There were more people that I knew of that were against it, that were outspoken on it. When it comes to firearms there is a lot of passion from both sides. And it seems as though those who oppose them can be more outspoken than those who own them. Even a good friend of mine who owns more guns than anyone I know was against the CCW law. There was a real hipe and fear that it would be a "WILD WEST...People shooting each other all the time" This coming from someone who owns at least 40-50 weapons. The law passed and a few years later..... no "WILD WEST".
I support the CCW law even though I dont have a permit. I do from time to time carry my 9 in the vehicle, on the boat or while camping. The new law allows me to do so now. My son has a pretty good appreciation and respect for all our weapons as he has used a few of mine and owns a little combo 22, 4/10 himself. He knows exactly where they are, how to get at them and how to use them. He's 10(allmost 11). He ALSO knows that mostly they are made for killing. And understands what it means to kill something.
The fact is that by banning weapons from adult law abiding citizens you will be doing 2 things.
1. Alowing only those that intend to break the law have them. Thereby making you and I easy targets for whatever they desire to do with us.
2. Making law abiding citizens into non- law abiding citizens because they refuse to give up their arms.
You know there are several topics that come up these days, and it allways seems funny to me. People hear someone say something and it sounds good to them... "take away guns and nobody will ever be killed by them again" Well, that may be true, but we live in AMERICA and should allways be able to posses arms. Law abiding citizens that is. You will never be able to rid this country of them, you will only be leaving ourselves vuneralble. The fact is that I am safer now than I was before because the criminals dont know wheather I'm packing or not. Because the law allows it. They cannot easily tell who might have one so they are more apt to think twice. I dont need to carry all the time as its likely that someone else nearby is.

UNITED WE STAND..
Personally, I belive that if I want to own a tank, I should be able to, and arm it. The government can restrict and tax and inspect me out the wazzzoooo, but if I want to have one(I dont) and wanna meet their rquirements for it, I should be able to. Yes it would bother me if I knew my neighbor had one, a little, but there may come a day when that wepon is needed to protect my freedom, and yours. Arms are what earned are freedom and what keep our freedom. The tank is an extreme example, and I'm not a huge gun nut. I am an AMERICAN who loves my country and do not want to give up my rights.
Before guns and knives and arrows etc., people used sticks and rocks to kill each other.

 

[jovial]

Virginia Tech had a no gun policy which even included concealed weapons permit holders. This practically guaranteed that no one could stop Cho's rampage. Teachers in Israel have began carrying firearms since 1970, since then has never been a school shooting. The same thing happend in 2002 in Grundy VA at the Appalachian school of law after the gunman killed the Dean, a professor and a student. The gunman was stopped by two students with guns before any more people were shot.

 

[b bauer]

Originally Posted by Vpotts28
This is not true, there are semi-auto assault weapons you can purchase. Such as a sks or aks which are russian or chinese sniper rifles. I own one. That said, I also do not believe that a citizen should be able to own a fully auto weapon. This should be reserved for the armed forces or tactical law enforcement. But if we allow the government to only ban such weapons, in the future they will scratch and claw their way into other weapons. You give them an inch, they take a mile.
I also agree the avg person does not need a full auto rifle but if you own a ar-15 sks ak mini-14 that are only semi auto then it is a sporter rifle not an assault weapon.Thats the gov definition of assault rifle also search wikipedia.I also own 2 sporter rifles.

 

[dual45s]

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) was a provision of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a federal law of the United States that included a prohibition on the sale of semi-automatic "assault weapons" manufactured after the date of the ban's enactment. The ten-year ban was passed by Congress on September 13, 1994 and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton the same day. The ban expired on September 13, 2004, as part of the law's sunset provision.
The term "assault weapon" in the context of civilian rifles has been attributed to gun-control activist Josh Sugarmann. The term assault weapon refers to semi-automatic firearms (that is, firearms that fire one shot per trigger pull) that were developed from earlier fully-automatic weapons. By former U.S. law, and the law remaining in some states still, the legal term assault weapon includes certain specific semi-automatic firearm models by name (e.g., Colt AR-15, TEC-9, all AK-47s, and Uzis) and other semi-automatic firearms because they possess a minimum set of features from the following list of features:
Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Large capacity ammunition clips
Folding or telescoping stock
Conspicuous pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher
Should have Wiki'd it yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...lt_weapons_ban

 

[aw2x3]

Originally Posted by Dual45s
Should have Wiki'd it yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...lt_weapons_ban
Thank you for clearing that up, so I didn't have to.