New gun law?

[socal57che]

Since this seems to have traversed into an AW discussion, people should be aware that a firearm need not be a rifle to fall under the AW ban that is still in effect in the state of Kalifornia. A Walther P-22 semi-auto pistol that has not been modified to meet California standards is an assault weapon as defined by the state due to it's threaded nut that secures the barrel to the frame. The government has succeeded in confusing it's citizens with law, after law after law. The state of California went so far as to name weapons by manufacturer and model numbers. The problem now is that new models have been introduced and different manufacturers can legally sell black rifles that are identical in form and function to banned Colt ARs, Bushmasters and the like.

 

[socal57che]

Since some misinformation came up I thought I'd post some links for reference. ATF sends them to me in book form because I have C&R FFL, but they are accessible online.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/statelaw...tion/index.htm
http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pu...3004/index.htm

 

[shogun323]

Originally Posted by fishkiller
Unless I am on government property or in a bar, I am armed. I'd rather be in jail than dead.

 

[tangwhispr]

Originally Posted by fishkiller
From what I have researched, all I would need to be able to own a full-auto or any class-3 weapon is a class-3 weapons permit. I know that once you have the permit, the paperwork must be with the weapons at all times. It mostly involves some serious paperwork and annual fees. A-134, here I come!!!
Wrong, you file a Form 4 with you local ATF office, wait 3-4 months and get a tax stamp for your class 3 item. It is a one time fee. I have over 10 full Auto SMG's and have had to do it many times, also for one of my original Cobray Mac10 has a silencer, which doesn't make that much of a dif, but anyways that is another class 3 item, so that gun has 2 tax stamps. Here in indiana they are cracking down, I got warned because I was at Jasper Pulaski State park shooting, and I didn't have a sidearm to protect against someone stealing my class 3 weapon. If someone has the balls to jack you, then they deserve it!

 

[fishkiller]

amen to that! I think I read wrong. That happens when you skim instead of read. What kind of permit would you need for an A-134 minigun? I want one.... One day, when I have lots of cash to blow on ammunition.

 

[tangwhispr]

Its not gun specific, if a gun is anything other then single shot or semi auto, it is a class 3 weapon. You can do things a bit cheaper and buy a semi auto and convert to full auto or burst by a Class 3 licenced gun smith, I can't remember what forms have to be submited, but it can be done. The problem today is finding PreBan guns is getting hard to do and is costly, I remember my first full auto was a Tec DC-9 with a threaded barrel, I paid $700 for the gun, which at the time I thought was crazy, but now just a preban semi auto is $750. Check out gunbroker.com theres some great stuff on there.

 

[b bauer]

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The AK-47 is the world's most common assault rifle.
The AK-47 is the world's most common assault rifle.
An assault rifle is a selective fire rifle or carbine firing ammunition with muzzle energies intermediate between those typical of pistol and battle rifle ammunition. Assault rifles are categorized between light machine guns, intended more for sustained automatic fire in a support role, and submachine guns, which fire a handgun cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge. Assault rifles are the standard small arms in most modern armies, having largely replaced or supplemented larger, more powerful battle rifles, such as the World War II-era M1 Garand and Tokarev SVT. Examples of assault rifles include the M16 rifle and the AK-47. Semi-automatic rifles, including commercial versions of the AR-15, and "automatic" rifles limited to firing single shots are not assault rifles as they are not selective fire. Belt-fed weapons or rifles with very limited capacity fixed magazines are also generally not considered assault rifles.dual45you quoted a law that expired this is the definition before and then after the fed assault weapon ban ended.If this info is wrong then I apologize but about 25 people in are gun club where given this ans by the local police dept.

 

[team2jndd]

Originally Posted by Pontius
you heard wrong. it's South Carolina, not California. California will be at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean before you'll ever see any such law as that passed there.
it needs to be looked at closely, but overall, is SOUNDS like a good idea. afterall, a law abiding citizen never shot up a school, did they? if one of those professors or students had been strapped, Cho might've that a lot longer before deciding to go berserk.
I think its a good idea that will never work. The concept is there but it wont work in the real world.

 

[team2jndd]

let me explain before somebody jumps on me for not giving it a chance.
1. There is atleast one fist fight in my school every week. Normally, one kid gets beat bad and gets humiliated. Situations like this could end terribly if one of the kids has a gun stowed in his bookbag.
2. If everybody has a gun, shootings become MUCH harder to trace because any ballistics specialist now has 400 possible weapons instead of 3.
3. The more guns become a part of a culture, the more exceptable they will become. I remember when cell phones werent allowed in school, now kids make phone calls from their desk.
4. Pure carelessness: atleast a dozen kids bookbags get stolen each month in my school. Somebody who DID want to do harm could rack up the weapons pretty quickly. Not to mention, the weapon's serial number would be traced back to somebody else.
5. Stupidity: Use your imagination
6. Drugs: Drug sales in schools is more and more common. Giving an 18 year old drug dealer the ability to legally carry a gun, probably not good for anybody who owes him or her money.
there are PLENTY of other reasons why it is a bad idea.
There are also plenty of reasons that it is a good idea. I personally, think that about 1 in every 20 kids should be chosen from the student body. That student should ahve to undergo weapons training and will then be allowed to carry a weapon. After they have passed the training and are qualified, they will be allowed to carry a weapon on campus god forbid anything like the cho incident happens. Same goes for teachers.

 

[shogun323]

Originally Posted by team2jndd
let me explain before somebody jumps on me for not giving it a chance.
1. There is atleast one fist fight in my school every week. Normally, one kid gets beat bad and gets humiliated. Situations like this could end terribly if one of the kids has a gun stowed in his bookbag.
2. If everybody has a gun, shootings become MUCH harder to trace because any ballistics specialist now has 400 possible weapons instead of 3.
3. The more guns become a part of a culture, the more exceptable they will become. I remember when cell phones werent allowed in school, now kids make phone calls from their desk.
4. Pure carelessness: atleast a dozen kids bookbags get stolen each month in my school. Somebody who DID want to do harm could rack up the weapons pretty quickly. Not to mention, the weapon's serial number would be traced back to somebody else.
5. Stupidity: Use your imagination
6. Drugs: Drug sales in schools is more and more common. Giving an 18 year old drug dealer the ability to legally carry a gun, probably not good for anybody who owes him or her money.
there are PLENTY of other reasons why it is a bad idea.
There are also plenty of reasons that it is a good idea. I personally, think that about 1 in every 20 kids should be chosen from the student body. That student should ahve to undergo weapons training and will then be allowed to carry a weapon. After they have passed the training and are qualified, they will be allowed to carry a weapon on campus god forbid anything like the cho incident happens. Same goes for teachers.

You are comparing high school to college. Big difference. It could never be possible for a student to carry in high school as you must legally be 21 to have a permit. So for college that would be primarily upper classman. I am all for it!!!

 

[shogun323]

My only beef with CWP is that there are many people that have them but havent a clue how to properly handle a firearm. In order to be eligible to obtain a CWP Florida law states you must "demonstrate competancy" with a firearm. Gun Shows and other establishment take that prerequisite lightly and will issue a permit after firing off one round. That's a joke and a dangerous one at that. I would love to see them crack down on that.

 

[shogun323]

Perhaps I should change my name to thread killer. It seems that often when I post in a thread it suddenly ends. What does that mean? (insert the smiley of the guy scratching his chin that admin deleted)
Anyways, this WAS a great thread.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by shogun323
Perhaps I should change my name to thread killer. It seems that often when I post in a thread it suddenly ends. What does that mean? (insert the smiley of the guy scratching his chin that admin deleted)
I thought "thread killer" or "one who starts argument and gets thread locked" was MY title? (insert smiley of guy shrugging shoulders in bewilderment that admin may or may not have deleted)

 

[team2jndd]

Originally Posted by shogun323
You are comparing high school to college. Big difference. It could never be possible for a student to carry in high school as you must legally be 21 to have a permit. So for college that would be primarily upper classman. I am all for it!!!
18 i thought?

 

[shogun323]

Originally Posted by Pontius
I thought "thread killer" or "one who starts argument and gets thread locked" was MY title? (insert smiley of guy shrugging shoulders in bewilderment that admin may or may not have deleted)
Haaaaa Pontius I see you more as "the one who tells it like it is!!!"