New health care bill..... Oh crap!

mie

mie

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They released the new revision to the health care plan, it is 1,190 pages and congress votes next thursday on it. To fully understand this bill they would have to read around 200+ pages a day. (yah right). Oh yeah big shocker, rember how our wonderfull leader said no tax hikes for the middle class (200k and under) well thats gonna change as well. We are soooo screwed! I hate our leaders they need wage freezes as well as massive reductions in pay, term lenghts, and we should vote to give them raise's not themselves.
ARGH!!
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Hopefully the Dems who are opposed to a socialist health care system will hold their ground and force more changes.
 
sickboy

sickboy

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3163919
Hopefully the Dems who are opposed to a socialist health care system will hold their ground and force more changes.
I'm pretty confident that Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) will not vote for anything that includes a public option, or that any of the dems just try to "bully" through the Senate....I hope at least....
I watched an interview with him on the local news, he seemed to want the proper reforms similar to the reps. Speaking of, why haven't the Republicans came up with a completely separate bill?
 
zman1

zman1

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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/3164114
I watched an interview with him on the local news, he seemed to want the proper reforms similar to the reps. Speaking of, why haven't the Republicans came up with a completely separate bill?
They had their chance - They chose to do nothing on health care or on FICA... I doubt either party will do anything on FICA - (some pretend they do). The political death sentence. People say they want FICA reform, however, they really don't....
Congress Republican controlled
2005 109th Pres. R , Sen. R - 55, H. R - 232
2003 108th Pres. R , Sen. R - 51, H. R - 229
Congress Democratic controlled
2009 111th Pres. D, Sen. D - 55, H. D - 256
 
zman1

zman1

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Originally Posted by mie
http:///forum/post/3164095
It is all just so depresing. Our fourfathers are rolling in their graves.
There were more than four forefathers - What were they doing about the cival war / The Emancipation Proclamation. Rolling in their graves, too
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/3164114
I'm pretty confident that Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) will not vote for anything that includes a public option, or that any of the dems just try to "bully" through the Senate....I hope at least....
I watched an interview with him on the local news, he seemed to want the proper reforms similar to the reps. Speaking of, why haven't the Republicans came up with a completely separate bill?
Hopefully Nelson and a few others hold their ground.
They wouldn't even let the Pubs offer up amendments to this bill, you seriously think they would let them make their own bill

They have offered up a bunch of ideas, Tort reform, buying insurance across state lines etc. which have fallen on deaf ears.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3164122
They had their chance - They chose to do nothing on health care or on FICA... I doubt either party will do anything on FICA - (some pretend they do). The political death sentence. People say they want FICA reform, however, they really don't....
Congress Republican controlled
2005 109th Pres. R , Sen. R - 55, H. R - 232
2003 108th Pres. R , Sen. R - 51, H. R - 229
Congress Democratic controlled
2009 111th Pres. D, Sen. D - 55, H. D - 256
What is wrong with FICA? You pay for what you get. Seems reasonable to me.
 
zman1

zman1

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3164137
What is wrong with FICA? You pay for what you get. Seems reasonable to me.
Without tax increases (smaller working force compared to the retiring force and newly disabled ) and those future COLA adjustments, it will go bankrupt in 2037. I know you and I would most likey be dead by then - who cares
. Perhaps delaying retirement benifits until age 72 would fix it, too... At that age, folks will join the program through disabilites will most likely happen much earlier than the 72 age.
 
9supratt4

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This Health Care Reform is a bunch of crap!! I believe the system is flawed and that it needs to be fixed, but nothing I have heard out of Washington remedies anything...IMO it makes it worse. And I'm hoping I still have my business after all this is done...being mainly a group health insurance agency!!
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3164153
Without tax increases (smaller working force compared to the retiring force and newly disabled ) and those future COLA adjustments, it will go bankrupt in 2037. I know you and I would most likey be dead by then - who cares
. Perhaps delaying retirement benifits until age 72 would fix it, too... At that age, folks will join the program through disabilites will most likely happen much earlier than the 72 age.
The problem isn't with FICA tax structure, it's the system they are trying to fund with it. Bush tried to fix it, he got slaughtered by the Dems and the media for his trouble but neither came up with a plan of their own to fix it.
At this point they are going to have to cut benefits and raise taxes to fix it. Great, you just POed a huge segment of the voters. I'll place money on the fact Obama doesn't have the guts to touch it.
 
darthtang aw

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Section 2531, entitled “Medical Liability Alternatives,” establishes an incentive program for states to adopt and implement alternatives to medical liability litigation. [But]…… a state is not eligible for the incentive payments if that state puts a law on the books that limits attorneys’ fees or imposes caps on damages.
Great....this heathcare bill even protects the trial lawyers.....
 
geoj

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There is no fix; supply and demand dictates that costs always go up. Health care is a money pit that can’t be filled. Because I don’t want to die and will pay to live longer.
 
zman1

zman1

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3164263
Great....this heathcare bill even protects the trial lawyers.....
Great....this heathcare bill even protects the comsumer...
An attorney doesn't have a job if it weren't for a client - the consumer. Insurance companies never show up without their attorney present...
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3164360
Great....this heathcare bill even protects the comsumer...
An attorney doesn't have a job if it weren't for a client - the consumer. Insurance companies never so up without their attorney present...
So capping CEO pay good. Capping lawyers fees bad

Might want to review what the lawyers who do class actions like the tobacco case pull in as opposed to the damaged parties.
Just more political paybacks to the trial lawyers.
 
zman1

zman1

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3164368
So capping CEO pay good. Capping lawyers fees bad

Might want to review what the lawyers who do class actions like the tobacco case pull in as opposed to the damaged parties.
Just more political paybacks to the trial lawyers.
The states recouping health care cost from evil tobacco

Taxpayers/shareholders holding the CEOs responsible for the collapse of the business and expecting them not to be rewarded with huge bonuses, like it never happened.

Perhaps, they will try to pay the money back as fast as possible and won't have their hand reached out taking the money so quickly the next time.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3164376
The states recouping health care cost from evil tobacco

Taxpayers/shareholders holding the CEOs responsible for the collapse of the business and expecting them not to be rewarded with huge bonuses, like it never happened.

Perhaps, they will try to pay the money back as fast as possible and won't have their hand reached out taking the money so quickly the next time.

Like I said, review what the lawyers made then tell me their fees should be protected.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by GeoJ
http:///forum/post/3164338
There is no fix; supply and demand dictates that costs always go up. Health care is a money pit that can’t be filled. Because I don’t want to die and will pay to live longer.
supply and demand does not work that way. Low supply low demand equal lower prices.
There is a fix:
1. Tort reform, only pay lost wages, bills related to the mistake. No more lottery sized "awards".
2. Portability, let everyone in every state negotiate with every insurance company.
3. Remove the pre-existing illness clauses. Portability will increase the risk pool and decrease costs
4. No coverage for illegals
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3164360
Great....this heathcare bill even protects the comsumer...
An attorney doesn't have a job if it weren't for a client - the consumer. Insurance companies never show up without their attorney present...
It's not the client or even the lawyer, it's the award. cap the award and the fees the lawyer gets. More $$$ to the client and less cost to malpractice insurance.
I sure can't wait until I'm perfect. Until then I treat each patient as carefully as I can.
 
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