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salvatore

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Just bought two of these and have a question about wiring.
Theres a diagram on the ballast and it seemed pretty straightforward to wire things up. I made sure all of the connections were secure, made sure there were no frays in the wiring, made sure the ballasts were secured in the bottom of the stand and had plenty of ventilation, et cetera.
I hooked everything up on Saturday afternoon and from 3:00pm to 9:00pm everything lit as expected. Today the MHs came on at 3:00pm as normal and around 7:30pm or so one of them went out. Thinking I had a bad bulb, I turned off the power, waited for them to cool down, and switched the bulbs to see if thats what happened.
The one bulb that went out in the one socket didnt fire in the other socket, and the good bulb fired right up. I waited about ten minutes or so and both lights were on and working.
Twenty minutes later one went out again and didnt come back on. I triple checked all of the wiring to make sure there was no moisture or loose connections or anything out of the ordinary. There was no smoke, the ballasts werent making any noise, and Im running out of things to check.
Before setting this up, I took one of the ballasts to Home Depot and told them what I was doing. They said I needed 14 gauge wire, and only afterward did I see the Hellolights site saying I needed 18 gauge wire. Is that significant enough of a difference to cause something like this?
Also, the Hellolights had this on their MH FAQ :
Q. My bulb fires then goes out, what's going on?
A. Metal halide bulbs are very finicky when they are fired the first few times. Usually, within the first 100 hours, you will notice slight color shifts, etc. Also, the arc tubes sometimes will go on and off. Just leave them in. How MH bulbs will NOT restrike until they are cooler, so just leave them plugged in.
My question is this:
If the above is true, should I just leave everything plugged in and let the lights do their thing? Or should I strip it back down and rewire with 18 gauge?
Thanks, and sorry for the long post.
 
!4 gauge wire is significantly larger than 18 gauge wire. Gauge is one of those backward things...Like shotguns and metal thickness...bigger number equals smaller thickness/diameter.
As far as your wiring consideration, 14g will perform better than the manufacturers "minimum" of 18g. The drawback is that the 14g will be stiffer and more difficult to work with. Also, the 18g on your ballast is probably braided wire and the 14g is solid. This makes wire nut conectiions awkward.
I would not remove the 14g. I would recheck the connections, and use wire nuts with the tapered spring on the inside, as opposed to the kind that are just threaded plastic ( don't know which kind you have, but I've had bad luck with the cheapies)
As I recall, my MH acted funny the first couple of times I lit them.
Good luck.
 

salvatore

Member
rangermonroe,
Thanks for the reply. For most of the connections I used the straight connectors; the kind where you insert an end of the wire into each side, crimp them, and then tape. The outside is plastic and the inside has a metal tube where the wires are crimped and the circuit is created.
On the wires going to the fixtures I used the connectors that twist onto the two wires to make a connection. Those are plastic outside and have metal threads inside. I made sure those were secure and taped them with electrical tape.
FWIW, you're right on about the wire. The 14 gauge I bought is one solid wire and the wire already on the fixtures and ballasts were braided. Its definitely a bit more rigid, but it didnt present a problem at all.
Thanks again, and I'll just plug them in and let them do their thing when I get home.
 
Yeah, plug them in and let them go. I wouldn't leave the house for a while with them on, It wuold suck to come back home after a couple hours at the "dew drop in" to find the local fire department diluting you saltwater with a hand line.
All kidding aside, rent a movie, turn them on and watch, listen, for anything odd.
I had a funny smell coming from my tank after 4 months with my lights installed...a faint whiff of hot plastic. I checked my wires, ballast, bulbs...nothing odd or hotter than normal.
As it turns out, my power strip was of exceptionally poor quality, and the receptical that my lights were plugged into was allowing a small arc. This in turn was causing a significant ammount of heat. Enought to melt the rubbery plastic around the plug. I removed the strip from service and the problem was solved, but it could have been disastrous.
As with any DIY project... there is no waranty on your work. Keep an eye on things until you figure out the operating parameters on your particular version of MH lighting "Salvatore style".
BTW those crimp-on connections should be fine as long as they are good and tight.
Lots of Luck
PS I am a professional firefighter, and I still manager to "almost" set my house alight 2-3X anually with various DIY projects. LOL:D
 

salvatore

Member
Hopefully the Salvatore Style is similar to the 'laws of electricity' :)
Im using the same type power strip Ive used for the past year on things relating to the tank, so hopefully that wont prove to be a problem.
I'll set the timer to run things while Im home for the next week or so to see how the bulbs react.
Thanks for all of your help.
 

salvatore

Member
I think my problem is a bad ballast. The two are identical and mounted within the cabinet on opposite sides. The one thats firing without problem is generating a nominal amount of heat (similar to the IceCap 440 I have running the VHOs). The one thats not firing is cold as a stone. Neither of the wiring setups are producing any heat, and the power strip and timer are both functioning as expected.
I even replaced the power cord on the bad ballast side, just to make sure...nothing.
I spoke with the LFS who sold the set to me and they promised they'd take it back and get a new one shipped.
Cross your fingers, lets hope thats what it is. The side that is working really looks great :)
 

salvatore

Member
Yes! The LFS did exactly what they promised: they took the bad ballast back no questions asked, promply had a replacement re-shipped and within an hour of getting it home I had everything back up and lit.
How I survived for a year without MH is a wonder into itself. Hopefully thats the reason why so much of the LR went dull, and the reason why it'll come back to life soon.
Thanks for everyones help.
Now on to some LEDs for nighttime viewing...
 
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