newbie alert!!

timtim13

New Member
Hello all!
Just started my inovative marine nano 16 this weekend. I work for a company that the owner owns a fish store too so i get 20%-50% off everything!
I have live rock going 2 corals and 1 cheap clown fish. Im hopeing to get this thing colorfull as possible
looking for any tips and recomedations
Here is a few pics
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flower

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Hi,

Welcome to the site,

You say you set up your 16g nano tank this weekend???? You have 2 corals and a fish already in there? Did the owner who has a fish store at least explain to you about cycling a tank before you add any life to it? A clownfish is not suited for such a tiny tank, they need at least 30g....but I don't think it will live long enough for you to have to concern yourself with it's long term survival. The corals are doomed if you keep them, be smart and give everything back to the pet store, until you have cycled the tank properly..

Okay, time to make some lemonade out of the lemons you have. First and foremost, you need a book on how to keep a saltwater tank. If you refuse to return the critters, your biggest enemy right now is ammonia, get those test strips for ammonia ONLY and test twice a day, (morning and night) when you see any ammonia reading...do a 50% water change. I highly doubt the coral will survive it, but you might save the clownfish.

When it comes to saltwater, the bigger the tank, the easier it is to keep it alive...a 16g tank would be expert only. You have absolutely no wiggle room for error, and you already made a big huge one with not cycling the tank before adding live critters..
 

timtim13

New Member
Really.... oh crap. Everything seems so happy and alive now. Did i mention i used live sand and pre made water?
 

timtim13

New Member

Also just tested my water and you were right the clown died
11/4
No2= 0ppm
Ph= 8.2
Ammonia 0.50 ppm
No3= 0ppm
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by timtim13 http:///t/396576/newbie-alert#post_3533660
Really.... oh crap. Everything seems so happy and alive now. Did i mention i used live sand and pre made water?

Hi,

As soon as you put something alive in the tank...it poops. This causes ammonia. In a fish tank, the fish eat, swim, poop all in the same water. Nature allows them to survive by allowing good bacteria to colonize and grow on any, and all surfaces (rock, sand, and the pipe surfaces, everything) the good bacteria eats ammonia, and these are called nitrites, the next stage for the good bacteria guys, is called nitrates. There is a last stage where the nitrates become a harmless gas...unfortunately it isn't fast enough, to so we do water changes to remove the nitrates, and dilute it with new clean saltwater.

This is important to remember: Water evaporates, but salt does not. To keep the water with the right "saltiness" (AKA... SG) we must maintain the water level. You add RO (reverse osmosis) freshwater each day to bring the water back to the correct level. We call this Topping off.

You need for the tank to cycle the first time, so there is enough good bacteria to keep the fish alive and able to breath
, swim and live in the tank. Everything is optimal when the fish is first added, but as soon as it poops, ammonia begins to climb....Your fish can't breath ammonia, it burns it's gills and kills it.

The corals are even more sensitive to the water quality. You need to remove them, and return them to the fish store...ASAP.

After you remove all of the living creatures
, toss in a chunk of raw shrimp, or a small amount of pure ammonia (found in any laundry section of the grocery store) or ghost feed an invisible fish with flake food for a while. The ammonia needs to reach 1, and then drop back down to 0...then test for nitrites, it should climb as the ammonia declines, when it reaches 0, test for nitrates...if it is above 10 (and it should be) do a 3% water change, using newly mixed saltwater that you allowed to churn for 24 hours...or your premixed water.

You need lab type test kits...not strips. The strips for ammonia is fine because any ammonia detected when you have live critters, means trouble. The rest of the tests, you will need an exact number to be able to understand the water quality...the quality of the water is the very life of your fish tank.

The smaller the tank, the faster things go bad...a 16g is expert only size. a good starter size tank is a 55g or even better a 75g. Seems lots of folks do alright with a 30g, but that's a tiny tank as well.

To be honest, your next purchase should be a good "how to keep saltwater tanks" book. Cycling is just the very basics, you need some education to be successful. It really isn't hard to do, but right now, you need to understand things just a little better. It takes weeks to cycle a tank, no matter how small, and no matter how large. You can do it, but you need some patience.

Hang out here, there are lots of folks, including myself, who will help you. A book will help you understand and know what questions to ask....Don't kick yourself, we all make our mistakes when we first start out.
 

timtim13

New Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/396576/newbie-alert#post_3533673

Hi,

As soon as you put something alive in the tank...it poops. This causes ammonia. In a fish tank, the fish eat, swim, poop all in the same water. Nature allows them to survive by allowing good bacteria to colonize and grow on any, and all surfaces (rock, sand, and the pipe surfaces, everything) the good bacteria eats ammonia, and these are called nitrites, the next stage for the good bacteria guys, is called nitrates. There is a last stage where the nitrates become a harmless gas...unfortunately it isn't fast enough, to so we do water changes to remove the nitrates, and dilute it with new clean saltwater.

This is important to remember: Water evaporates, but salt does not. To keep the water with the right "saltiness" (AKA... SG) we must maintain the water level. You add RO (reverse osmosis) freshwater each day to bring the water back to the correct level. We call this Topping off.

You need for the tank to cycle the first time, so there is enough good bacteria to keep the fish alive and able to breath
, swim and live in the tank. Everything is optimal when the fish is first added, but as soon as it poops, ammonia begins to climb....Your fish can't breath ammonia, it burns it's gills and kills it.

The corals are even more sensitive to the water quality. You need to remove them, and return them to the fish store...ASAP.

After you remove all of the living creatures
, toss in a chunk of raw shrimp, or a small amount of pure ammonia (found in any laundry section of the grocery store) or ghost feed an invisible fish with flake food for a while. The ammonia needs to reach 1, and then drop back down to 0...then test for nitrites, it should climb as the ammonia declines, when it reaches 0, test for nitrates...if it is above 10 (and it should be) do a 3% water change, using newly mixed saltwater that you allowed to churn for 24 hours...or your premixed water.

You need lab type test kits...not strips. The strips for ammonia is fine because any ammonia detected when you have live critters, means trouble. The rest of the tests, you will need an exact number to be able to understand the water quality...the quality of the water is the very life of your fish tank.

The smaller the tank, the faster things go bad...a 16g is expert only size. a good starter size tank is a 55g or even better a 75g. Seems lots of folks do alright with a 30g, but that's a tiny tank as well.

To be honest, your next purchase should be a good "how to keep saltwater tanks" book. Cycling is just the very basics, you need some education to be successful. It really isn't hard to do, but right now, you need to understand things just a little better. It takes weeks to cycle a tank, no matter how small, and no matter how large. You can do it, but you need some patience.

Hang out here, there are lots of folks, including myself, who will help you. A book will help you understand and know what questions to ask....Don't kick yourself, we all make our mistakes when we first start out.
Thank you!

Ill get the corals out and start being patient.

I have a 5 gallon jug of filtered water that i got from my fish store to "top off"

Ill let it cycle and test the water again in a few days and continue to feed my invisible fish every other day

Ill post my questions and concerns soon

Again Thanks for the advice!
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by timtim13 http:///t/396576/newbie-alert#post_3533675
Thank you!

Ill get the corals out and start being patient.

I have a 5 gallon jug of filtered water that i got from my fish store to "top off"

Ill let it cycle and test the water again in a few days and continue to feed my invisible fish every other day

Ill post my questions and concerns soon

Again Thanks for the advice!


 

silverado61

Well-Known Member
I don't know how much you paid for that "filtered water" but you can get RO water from Walmart for .37 a gallon. I'm surprised Flower didn't catch that. LOL
Make sure it's a full spike on your cycle. When I first set up my tank a little over 3 mths ago, (yes, I'm a nubie too) I had a mini spike. Thinking it was a full spike, I added a fish, snails and hermits for a cuc. A week later, I had the full spike and it killed everything but the hermits. The hermits surprised me by surviving.
Everybody here that tries to help with advice knows what they're talking about (most of them anyway.) Listen to their advice but also take it as research. That's the key to making it in this hobby. Research, research and more research. Read everything you can get your hands on about this hobby. Search the web. Soak it all in like a sponge (pun intended).

BTW: Welcome to our world. It's awesome down here in the deep blue.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by silverado61 http:///t/396576/newbie-alert#post_3533728
I don't know how much you paid for that "filtered water" but you can get RO water from Walmart for .37 a gallon. I'm surprised Flower didn't catch that. LOL
Make sure it's a full spike on your cycle. When I first set up my tank a little over 3 mths ago, (yes, I'm a nubie too) I had a mini spike. Thinking it was a full spike, I added a fish, snails and hermits for a cuc. A week later, I had the full spike and it killed everything but the hermits. The hermits surprised me by surviving.
Everybody here that tries to help with advice knows what they're talking about (most of them anyway.) Listen to their advice but also take it as research. That's the key to making it in this hobby. Research, research and more research. Read everything you can get your hands on about this hobby. Search the web. Soak it all in like a sponge (pun intended).

BTW: Welcome to our world. It's awesome down here in the deep blue.


LOL...I didn't miss it...s/he already bought it. Those hermits are pretty tough.
 

timtim13

New Member

LOL...I didn't miss it...s/he already bought it. Those hermits are pretty tough.
Filterd water is free for me. I just bring by my 5 gallon jug to the store and i get it free.
The company i work for owns the place so i get good deals.
Thanks for the advice. I decided to be paitent and not put fish in for a few.
If i miss my spike how do i know if it happen and i can add fish?
 

flower

Well-Known Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by timtim13 http:///t/396576/newbie-alert#post_3533763
Filterd water is free for me. I just bring by my 5 gallon jug to the store and i get it free.
The company i work for owns the place so i get good deals.
Thanks for the advice. I decided to be paitent and not put fish in for a few.
If i miss my spike how do i know if it happen and i can add fish?

Hi,

I knew you had the premixed water already...LOL...free is better then 37 cents a gallon at Walmart.


If you have nitrates and no ammonia or nitrites...it's a pretty sure sign that you have good bacteria, since nitrates is the last stage of the cycles process. It isn't really the "last" stage since that is when the nitrates become harmless gas...but our tanks are too slow for us to wait for that process...we do water changes to remove nitrates, and not wait for it to become a gas.

If you THINK the tank is cycled...ghost feed some flake food for one more week. Then test your water, and see if you have any ammonia or nitrite readings, if you don't... then there is enough good bacteria to prevent an ammonia spike when you add ONE fish. Just 1.

A quarantine is also a good thing to set up as the display cycles. Not only will it prevent disease/parasites from infecting the display, it will help you pace yourself on how quickly you add fish...too much too soon is the most common reason for new tank crash.

Our tank cycles continuously. We are making sure that the first cycle is complete before we add that first fish. Each time you add more life to the tank, the good bacteria needs to build up to be able to remove the waste caused by the new arrival. There is a natural balance, there is only enough good bacteria developed to take care of the amount of ammonia in the tank. When you add a new fish, that's more ammonia then the bacteria system is geared to handle, you have to allow the good bacteria time to build up to be able to handle the new waste.
 

timtim13

New Member
Okay iv been testing every day since first post
3rd day in row
No3 0ppm
No2 0ppm
amm-0ppm
Ph -8.0 -8.1
Cant seem to get my ph to 8.4
Any advice
 

silverado61

Well-Known Member
Your tank hasn't even been cycling a week yet. You've got AT LEAST three weeks to go. Remember, patience is the key. If you try to rush it, disaster is imminent. By the way, you only need to test for ammonia right now. You need to read Flowers posts again. Then read them again. Keep reading them till you understand them. She's trying to give you the best advice but you keep getting antsy. If...you...rush...it...they...will...die.
 

timtim13

New Member

Set up a quarantine tank, so they can cycle at the same time. A QT will help you pace how fast you add fish and keep everything healthy too.
I was thinking that. Also do you think i need a powerhead for the nano 16? If you do what one?
 
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