nitrate is perfect nitrite is dreadful help!

nathanrudy9

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is it normal that the nitrate level in my tank is perfect at 20 mg and the nitrite is booking high and ammonia is way high not even close to 0
please give me any advise u can.
Nathan
Thanks again for all the continued support.
 

perfectdark

Active Member
Your still cycling if its a new set up.
More info on your tank is needed to determine what might be happening. Tank size LR #, inhabitants if any, how long has it been set up, what type of filtration do you have.
 

nathanrudy9

Member
hey friends,
ive recently got into salt water fish about a year or 2 ago i have a 55 gallon tank with 100 lb's of live premieum fiji rock..i also have florida keys sand about 45 lb's and its about 2.5 inches across the aquarium floor... i have 2 filters 1 ehim a decent one and one marineland filter also a decent one both are working nicely the water is crystal clear.I also have 2 48in bulbs with a clear glass top one is atonic (or blue) at 65 watts ...my problem is 2 weeks ago i bought about 6 fish for my tank...a yellow tang 3-5 in a blue hippo tang 3-5 in and 3 false percula aquacultered clown fish 1 inch ....the blue hippo tang was getting stuck in the rocks and so was the yellow tang they soon died and the 3 clown fish lived about a week...in that time i introduced about 10 dif. kind of corals and 5 dif anemones they all slowly died as well basically my tank crashed and i belive i added to many different things in a 2 weeks span...heres my problom now...the tank has bean cyclying several times since the last coral passed...maybe 3 or 4 times i did water changes 3 times this week about 25-35 percent at a time...i cant get all the paramaters on...the salinity is fine 1.021,the ph is fine 8.2 the temp is fine 78 deg. and the nitrate is fine at 20 mg, heres my huge problem i cant seem to fix my ammonia its sky rocketed way too high its like double the highest level not even close to 0 and the nitrite is also way to high...how to i bring down the ammonia and nitrite ? i did 3 water cycles this week and each time put in the cycle liquid for water changes and the ammonia and nitrites remain overwhelimingly high... PLEASE HELP!!!...I LOST OVER $1800 IN FISH INVERTS AND CORAL. any help would be great and i appreciate everyones help.
Nathan
 

nathanrudy9

Member
my tank was alive and well with very lttle maintence needed when i had aggresive fish in the tank triggers and puffers etc...after they died and a few months pased and my tank was just cycling i got intoi the peaceful fish and corals and inverts that didint last too long my tank crashed since i overloaded it and now i c ant get my nitrites down or ammonia down thats my main problem....the ph salinity temp and calcium and nitrate are relatively fine. please help
thanks'
nathan
 

grumpygils

Active Member
I would get all of the live stock out and let the tank cycle. Maybe the LFS will hold the fish for you? Don't feel bad, many of us have had excitement run into impatience which leads to a long list of "I should of ".
Mc
 

nathanrudy9

Member
all the live stock is dead all my money gone ...i just have live rock thats bean cycling for about 3 weeks now however while all the paramaters are in check the nitrite and ammonia are off the charts high how can i lower them ive down 30 percent water changes in the past week what else can i do ??? also side point when doing a water change if my tap water is filtered is that ok ?? or i need to get like gallons of poland spring water
thanks
nathan
 

lexluethar

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Sorry to hear about all of your losses - live and learn i suppose

I agree with dark, your tank is still cycling. Not to say that 2 years ago it wasn't cycled, but after adding all of that livestock, then having all of that livestock die, i think you are in a cycle. Leave the tank alone. It sounds like you have sufficient rock and sand, so once the bacteria is populated your levels will even out (except nitrates, water changes will take care of those). I think you've had high Ammonia this entire time because you keep doing one of two things 1) adding more things to the tank, fish, rock, corals, etc - this adds to the bioload and will product ammonia, especially in a tank that doesn't have enough bacteria to break it down to nitrite and nitrate. 2) you keep doing water changes, so your bacteria isn't able to populate, leave the tank alone. If your ammonia reaches around 1.0 then do a small water change (10%) to drop it a little, but you want ammonia in the tank so that the cycle can complete. Once you have 0 ammonia and 0 nitrite, you will have a good amount of nitrate, do a water change at that point and you are ready for fish. ONLY ADD A FEW AT A TIME, i'm sure you've already learned that, but i just want to remind you. Only add one or two, wait a few weeks, then you can add a few more.
I think the issue is you are trying to get rid of ammonia and nitrite, two things that will go away themselves once the tank is properly cycled. You trying to get rid of them will only prolong the cycle process (which cycling is a good thing).
Also, check around to make sure you don't have any more dead critters in the tank, that will also produce ammonia.
 

peef

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I agree, you should just let the tank cycle itself. Sit back and wait, it will finish eventually....could be awhile, but it will.
 

renogaw

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Originally Posted by renogaw
do not add the anenome until your nitrates are down near zero.

AND until you get better lights. it sounds like you have regular flourescents?
 

lexluethar

Active Member
Ya i would wait on the anemone. Again you need to take it slow. Not only did you lose 1800 dollars, you killed a lot of creatures. Start with some fish, WAIT about 6 months, then buy an anemone assuming your fish are still alive and your nitrates are near 0 AND you have proper lighting.
I don't say that to be mean, but you've gotta realize that anemones are hard ass hell to keep, and it seems that you are having enough troubles keeping fish, one step at a time.
 

nathanrudy9

Member
how long should it take to cycle at most ?and my lightsare not too bad...130 watts total dual 48 in 1 atonic (blue) and thyre pretty strong comkes with a fan and 2 beams of light i think thyre called moonlights thats stay on all the time...
 

lexluethar

Active Member
I don't know how long the cycle will take - honestly it depends on the tank. With how high your bioload was at one point i'm sure your ammonia is pretty high, so it may take a while (and since you've been doing a lot of water changes). Cycling takes 1 week to 4 weeks depending on the tank. Just test your ammonia and nitrite every day or every other day, you will see a spike in ammonia, then it will decrease. then a spike in nitrite, then a decrease, then a spike in nitrate with the decrease in nitrite.
As for your lighting if you go by the "old rule of thumb" (YES I KNOW ITS OLD BEFORE ANYONE CORRECTS ME ON THIS, I"M JUST USING IT AS A GUID
) you should aim between 4 and 6 watters per gallon. right now you are sitting at around 2. so double your light output and yes you can support an anemone. Please keep in mind this is a general statment, it depends on the depth of your tank, par of the lights, ect.
If i were you I would wait for the cycle, add two fish, and sit on it for a while. Get used to the water changes, testing the water, feeding, etc. I think it would greatly benefit you to do some research, buy a book, and ask lots of questions (which you are doing
)
 

lexluethar

Active Member
No they do not need it. They will be perfectly fine without an anemone. I don't know who started the rumor about them HAVING to have an anemone to survive, but it is false.
 

nathanrudy9

Member
thanks im doing my best....what exactly if u dont mind lol is spikes??
can u briefly elaborate im sorry but thanks ur help is always appreciated...
thanks
nathan
 

lexluethar

Active Member
What i mean is that you will see on your test kit, throughout the weeks of you testing the levels will slowly rise. At its peak is what i mean by spike. So your Ammonia will probably "spike" around .8 and then start to fall. Then your nitrite will "spike" at a certain level, then fall. You should start a log of all of your testings, what day and what time you tested. Then when you look back at your log you will see the pattern of when things rise and fall.
 

ophiura

Active Member
I haven't read the whole thing, but your specific gravity is FATALLY low for invertebrates...fine for fish only (but it is kept this low -abnormally low - to fight off invertebrate parasites). So if you have inverts you want, logically, they will die too.
In short, your parameters of 1.021 and nitrates at 20 were "fine" for a fish only, especially predator, tank.
But a huge problem for a reef tank.
 
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