Obama supporters. I have one question

darthtang aw

Active Member
Ok I just spent the last few hours looking over Obama's polotics at his website. I poured through every issue he has posted. And ONE thing stuck out at me. ONE MAJOR thing.
The major gripe about Iraq is we took our eye off the ball and didn't pursue Osama and Al qaeda as hard as you would have liked in Afghanistan. We didn't capture Bin laden...yadda yadda yadda.
Yet after looking at his site and reading. I didn't find one single mention of chasing bin laden, capturing him. Fighting Al Qaeda/islmaic terrorist or anything similar. He touches on Iraq (pull out), Iran (diplomacy/sanctions) and Isreal (more diplomacy)
BUT NOTHING ON BIN LADEN!
THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU PAUSE FOR CONCERN AS IF HE DOESN'T MENTION IT, IT ISN'T AN ISSUE FOR HIM, WHICH IS SCARY.
I would sooner vote for hilary (and I can't stand her) than Obama as she atleasts addresses these issue. Your candidate doesn't even touch on him....why is that? If I missed the info on his site, please post me a link.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2471144
Ok I just spent the last few hours looking over Obama's polotics at his website. I poured through every issue he has posted. And ONE thing stuck out at me. ONE MAJOR thing.
The major gripe about Iraq is we took our eye off the ball and didn't pursue Osama and Al qaeda as hard as you would have liked in Afghanistan. We didn't capture Bin laden...yadda yadda yadda.
Yet after looking at his site and reading. I didn't find one single mention of chasing bin laden, capturing him. Fighting Al Qaeda/islmaic terrorist or anything similar. He touches on Iraq (pull out), Iran (diplomacy/sanctions) and Isreal (more diplomacy)
BUT NOTHING ON BIN LADEN!
THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU PAUSE FOR CONCERN AS IF HE DOESN'T MENTION IT, IT ISN'T AN ISSUE FOR HIM, WHICH IS SCARY.
I would sooner vote for hilary (and I can't stand her) than Obama as she atleasts addresses these issue. Your candidate doesn't even touch on him....why is that? If I missed the info on his site, please post me a link.
I'm with you on the Hillary thing. When this started out I planned on voting for the unity 08 candidate if it came down to Rudy vs Obama but the more I looked into Obama, well lets just say I am pulling for Hillary.
 

sigmachris

Active Member
Here is the first mention of Bin Laden I found on his website...it is a copy of a speech in DC in August 2007
Quote:
"And so, a little more than a year after that bright September day, I was in the streets of Chicago again, this time speaking at a rally in opposition to war in Iraq. I did not oppose all wars, I said. I was a strong supporter of the war in Afghanistan. But I said I could not support "a dumb war, a rash war" in Iraq. I worried about a " U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences" in the heart of the Muslim world. I pleaded that we "finish the fight with bin Ladin and al Qaeda."
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/0...ma_the_w_1.php
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
He has plans on what he would do for each issue, but the issue of finding and capturing Bin Laden he says nothing about. He doesn't touch on it on his website and one small mention of Al Qaeda is only in Defense of a facility or if they build a base in Iraq. One speech with one small reference to Bin Laden does not EXPLAIN how he would go abvout capturing him.
 

renogaw

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2471144
Yet after looking at his site and reading. I didn't find one single mention of chasing bin laden, capturing him. Fighting Al Qaeda/islmaic terrorist or anything similar. He touches on Iraq (pull out), Iran (diplomacy/sanctions) and Isreal (more diplomacy)
BUT NOTHING ON BIN LADEN!
THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU PAUSE FOR CONCERN AS IF HE DOESN'T MENTION IT, IT ISN'T AN ISSUE FOR HIM, WHICH IS SCARY.
I would sooner vote for hilary (and I can't stand her) than Obama as she atleasts addresses these issue. Your candidate doesn't even touch on him....why is that? If I missed the info on his site, please post me a link.

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW

http:///forum/post/2471326
One speech with one small reference to Bin Laden does not EXPLAIN how he would go abvout capturing him.
well, honestly, it is there, so your original complaint is moot :)
 

sigmachris

Active Member
Darth back to you, I just browsed over www.johnmccain.com and only found one reference to Bin Laden.
Quote:
"The attacks on September 11th represented more than a failure of intelligence. The tragedy highlighted a failure of national policy to respond to the development of a global terror network hostile to the American people and our values. The 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1998 attacks on the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the 2000 bombing of the USS COLE indicated a growing global terrorist threat before the attacks on New York and Washington. On the morning of September 11, 2001, Osama bin Laden's declaration of war against the United States hit home with unmistakable clarity.
Nowhere else does he state a plan on how to get Bin Laden. There is similar issues on National Security differing views with Obama on Iraq but no plan for Bin Laden like you want Obama to post on his website. If I missed it please post it.
Declaration - undecided voter so I enjoy this threads to help me better understand the issues.
 

renogaw

Active Member
sry, but in all honesty, bin laden is probably so far back in the minds of people because we're not dealing with news from afghanistan on a daily basis. that's why he's gotta do those videos every once in a while to remind the world he's still alive.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by SigmaChris
http:///forum/post/2471361
Darth back to you, I just browsed over www.johnmccain.com and only found one reference to Bin Laden.
Quote:
"The attacks on September 11th represented more than a failure of intelligence. The tragedy highlighted a failure of national policy to respond to the development of a global terror network hostile to the American people and our values. The 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1998 attacks on the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the 2000 bombing of the USS COLE indicated a growing global terrorist threat before the attacks on New York and Washington. On the morning of September 11, 2001, Osama bin Laden's declaration of war against the United States hit home with unmistakable clarity.
Nowhere else does he state a plan on how to get Bin Laden. There is similar issues on National Security differing views with Obama on Iraq but no plan for Bin Laden like you want Obama to post on his website. If I missed it please post it.
Declaration - undecided voter so I enjoy this threads to help me better understand the issues.
Found it in 30 seconds.
"Fighting Against Violent Islamic Extremists and Terrorist Tactics
The attacks on September 11th represented more than a failure of intelligence. The tragedy highlighted a failure of national policy to respond to the development of a global terror network hostile to the American people and our values. The 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1998 attacks on the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the 2000 bombing of the USS COLE indicated a growing global terrorist threat before the attacks on New York and Washington. On the morning of September 11, 2001, Osama bin Laden's declaration of war against the United States hit home with unmistakable clarity.
America faces a dedicated, focused, and intelligent foe in the war on terrorism. This enemy will probe to find America's weaknesses and strike against them. The United States cannot afford to be complacent about the threat, naive about terrorist intentions, unrealistic about their capabilities, or ignorant to our national vulnerabilities.
In the aftermath of 9/11 John McCain fought for the creation of an independent 9/11 Commission to identify how to best address the terrorist threat and decrease our domestic vulnerability. He fought for the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security and the creation of the U.S. Northern Command with the specific responsibility of protecting the U.S. homeland.
As President, John McCain will ensure that America has the quality intelligence necessary to uncover plots before they take root, the resources to protect critical infrastructure and our borders against attack, and the capability to respond and recover from a terrorist incident swiftly.
He will ensure that the war against terrorists is fought intelligently, with patience and resolve, using all instruments of national power. Moreover, he will lead this fight with the understanding that to impinge on the rights of our own citizens or restrict the freedoms for which our nation stands would be to give terrorists the victory they seek.
John McCain believes that just as America must be prepared to meet and prevail against any adversary on the field of battle, we must engage and prevail against them on the battleground of ideas. In so doing, we can and must deprive terrorists of the converts they seek and teach the doctrine of hatred and despair.
As President, John McCain will take it as his most sacred responsibility to keep America free, safe, and strong - an abiding beacon of freedom and hope to the world. "
http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/...fcf66a1e68.htm
Doesn't mention bin laden specifically but directed at extremist islamic terrorists. which is far nmore than Obama
 

renogaw

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2471379
Doesn't mention bin laden specifically but directed at extremist islamic terrorists. which is far nmore than Obama
how can you be against obama but for mccain when neither of them is specific when it comes to bin laden? isn't that your whole beef with obama, that he doesn't mention bin laden at all, yet neither does mccain but that's ok?
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2471382
how can you be against obama but for mccain when neither of them is specific when it comes to bin laden? isn't that your whole beef with obama, that he doesn't mention bin laden at all, yet neither does mccain but that's ok?

My beef is terrorists. Not just al qada, not just bin laden, but all, which McCain addresses. I mentioned Bin laden because the left constantly preaches about him still being at large. Yet their Golden Boy doesn't even address the issue.
 

renogaw

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2471144
BUT NOTHING ON BIN LADEN!
THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU PAUSE FOR CONCERN AS IF HE DOESN'T MENTION IT, IT ISN'T AN ISSUE FOR HIM, WHICH IS SCARY.

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW

http:///forum/post/2471390
My beef is terrorists. Not just al qada, not just bin laden, but all, which McCain addresses. I mentioned Bin laden because the left constantly preaches about him still being at large. Yet their Golden Boy doesn't even address the issue.

but neither does mccain...
 

sigmachris

Active Member
The paragraph I quoted is from the same web page. If you want general references to fighting Al Queda, here is a quote from a speech in 2007 on how he would like to target Al Queda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Quote from http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/0...ma_the_w_1.php
It is time to turn the page. When I am President, we will wage the war that has to be won, with a comprehensive strategy with five elements: getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing the capabilities and partnerships we need to take out the terrorists and the world's most deadly weapons; engaging the world to dry up support for terror and extremism; restoring our values; and securing a more resilient homeland.
The first step must be getting off the wrong battlefield in Iraq, and taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
I introduced a plan in January that would have already started bringing our troops out of Iraq, with a goal of removing all combat brigades by March 31, 2008. If the President continues to veto this plan, then ending this war will be my first priority when I take office.
There is no military solution in Iraq. Only Iraq's leaders can settle the grievances at the heart of Iraq's civil war. We must apply pressure on them to act, and our best leverage is reducing our troop presence. And we must also do the hard and sustained diplomatic work in the region on behalf of peace and stability.
In ending the war, we must act with more wisdom than we started it. That is why my plan would maintain sufficient forces in the region to target al Qaeda within Iraq. But we must recognize that al Qaeda is not the primary source of violence in Iraq, and has little support -- not from Shia and Kurds who al Qaeda has targeted, or Sunni tribes hostile to foreigners. On the contrary, al Qaeda's appeal within Iraq is enhanced by our troop presence.
Ending the war will help isolate al Qaeda and give Iraqis the incentive and opportunity to take them out. It will also allow us to direct badly needed resources to Afghanistan. Our troops have fought valiantly there, but Iraq has deprived them of the support they need—and deserve. As a result, parts of Afghanistan are falling into the hands of the Taliban, and a mix of terrorism, drugs, and corruption threatens to overwhelm the country.
As President, I would deploy at least two additional brigades to Afghanistan to re-enforce our counter-terrorism operations and support NATO's efforts against the Taliban. As we step up our commitment, our European friends must do the same, and without the burdensome restrictions that have hampered NATO's efforts. We must also put more of an Afghan face on security by improving the training and equipping of the Afghan Army and Police, and including Afghan soldiers in U.S. and NATO operations."
Bottom line I think all candidates are in favor of crushing Al Queda, but I don't know how likely that will be. If you take out Bin Laden someone else will take his place. To the extremeists this is a religous war that will continue to be fought.
 

vinnyl

Member
Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2471366
sry, but in all honesty, bin laden is probably so far back in the minds of people because we're not dealing with news from afghanistan on a daily basis. that's why he's gotta do those videos every once in a while to remind the world he's still alive.
I have to agree w/ renogaw. We are dealing with things that are a bit more urgent than bin laden. Do a quick research on inventors evasion… or foreclosures for example. I’d be a bit more concern with things that can affect our lives immediately such as Hillary’s universal health care plan. I am still debating between Obama or McCain, but one thing I know…. Hillary is not getting my vote.
Darthtang… I respect your point, but I hope you not basing your vote on only “one” statement.
Ps: humm... we found Hussein in a little underground hole... yet we can't find bin laden??
"There are more things between heaven and earth then dreamed of in your philosophy.
" - Shakespeare
God Bless America
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by SigmaChris
http:///forum/post/2471402
The paragraph I quoted is from the same web page. If you want general references to fighting Al Queda, here is a quote from a speech in 2007 on how he would like to target Al Queda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Quote from http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/0...ma_the_w_1.php
It is time to turn the page. When I am President, we will wage the war that has to be won, with a comprehensive strategy with five elements: getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing the capabilities and partnerships we need to take out the terrorists and the world's most deadly weapons; engaging the world to dry up support for terror and extremism; restoring our values; and securing a more resilient homeland.
The first step must be getting off the wrong battlefield in Iraq, and taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
I introduced a plan in January that would have already started bringing our troops out of Iraq, with a goal of removing all combat brigades by March 31, 2008. If the President continues to veto this plan, then ending this war will be my first priority when I take office.
There is no military solution in Iraq. Only Iraq's leaders can settle the grievances at the heart of Iraq's civil war. We must apply pressure on them to act, and our best leverage is reducing our troop presence. And we must also do the hard and sustained diplomatic work in the region on behalf of peace and stability.
In ending the war, we must act with more wisdom than we started it. That is why my plan would maintain sufficient forces in the region to target al Qaeda within Iraq. But we must recognize that al Qaeda is not the primary source of violence in Iraq, and has little support -- not from Shia and Kurds who al Qaeda has targeted, or Sunni tribes hostile to foreigners. On the contrary, al Qaeda's appeal within Iraq is enhanced by our troop presence.
Ending the war will help isolate al Qaeda and give Iraqis the incentive and opportunity to take them out. It will also allow us to direct badly needed resources to Afghanistan. Our troops have fought valiantly there, but Iraq has deprived them of the support they need—and deserve. As a result, parts of Afghanistan are falling into the hands of the Taliban, and a mix of terrorism, drugs, and corruption threatens to overwhelm the country.
As President, I would deploy at least two additional brigades to Afghanistan to re-enforce our counter-terrorism operations and support NATO's efforts against the Taliban. As we step up our commitment, our European friends must do the same, and without the burdensome restrictions that have hampered NATO's efforts. We must also put more of an Afghan face on security by improving the training and equipping of the Afghan Army and Police, and including Afghan soldiers in U.S. and NATO operations."
Bottom line I think all candidates are in favor of crushing Al Queda, but I don't know how likely that will be. If you take out Bin Laden someone else will take his place. To the extremeists this is a religous war that will continue to be fought.
Nice
. I believe the orginal poster is correct is saying that this info was not in the issues section of his page. I have however heard Obama speak directly about his plans on this issue... I' m glad you found the speech ... so I wouldn't have to look for it. I believe Obama to be the best overall candidate, even though all the others of both parties have some overall good traits.
 

oscardeuce

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Why does Barak and Hillary continue to punish up ward mobility, education and income? Is it not the American dream to become wealthy, to move up the ladder? Then why a "progressive" tax code? Why punish me for 12 years of education after high school. Why punish me for working hard and making a good living. Am I not a "working man" just because I am educated and in a "white collar" job? does working 60-80 hours a week not qualify me a a "working man"? Both Barrak and Hillary have made it clear they play from the "from each according to his means..to each according to his needs" Socialist playbook. If they conintue to spend, and both Barak and Hillary have healthcare costs which would bankrupt us, the according to the GAO, by 2040 we will no longer be able to do anything other than make interest payments on out debt.
Think hard before you vote, do we need bigger more "progressive" government, or do we need to fall back on the faith the Founding Fathers had in the People, and the documents setting forth a limited government. Unfortunately, no candidate is running for the Constitutionalist party.
 
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