opinon on filtration
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tizzo
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I am not a fan of canister filters at all...
To me, it's like this...
If you dump a crap load of flake food into your tank, then scoop up as much as you can with a net, then you leave it in your tanks water to rot... That's what a canister does. It simply corrals the crap and food, it doesn't remove it from the tank, it simply holds it til it rots away...
To me, it's like this...
If you dump a crap load of flake food into your tank, then scoop up as much as you can with a net, then you leave it in your tanks water to rot... That's what a canister does. It simply corrals the crap and food, it doesn't remove it from the tank, it simply holds it til it rots away...
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tizzo
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Originally Posted by Rdub62
http:///forum/post/3091462
i really like refugiums...the macro HELPS keep NO's in check, the skimmer helps with phosphates, she socks help with debris, the sponge helps keep bristle worms and other such things that grew in my refugium from getting up into my tank etc...
Totally off topic but...
I wonder if I know you. I moved here last year from Charlotte...
http:///forum/post/3091462
i really like refugiums...the macro HELPS keep NO's in check, the skimmer helps with phosphates, she socks help with debris, the sponge helps keep bristle worms and other such things that grew in my refugium from getting up into my tank etc...
Totally off topic but...
I wonder if I know you. I moved here last year from Charlotte...
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tizzo
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Originally Posted by Rdub62
http:///forum/post/3091497
you don't know me.
and it's not really off topic i was just saying that i don't like canisters and i prefer refugiums.
No no no... I meant MY comment was way off topic, lol.
Me saying I wonder if I know you has nothing to do with this post...
http:///forum/post/3091497
you don't know me.
and it's not really off topic i was just saying that i don't like canisters and i prefer refugiums.
No no no... I meant MY comment was way off topic, lol.
Me saying I wonder if I know you has nothing to do with this post...
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tizzo
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Originally Posted by Rdub62
http:///forum/post/3091517
Oh my apologies.
But you are younger than my parents age, older than me, my sisters are younger. And there are probably well over 1.8 million people in Charlotte this year...not sure why you would think you would know me in particular...
Haha, RASOC... I'm still a member. If your not there, then I definitely don't know you...
http:///forum/post/3091517
Oh my apologies.
But you are younger than my parents age, older than me, my sisters are younger. And there are probably well over 1.8 million people in Charlotte this year...not sure why you would think you would know me in particular...
Haha, RASOC... I'm still a member. If your not there, then I definitely don't know you...
gmann1139
Active Member
Originally Posted by jimbo63
http:///forum/post/3091443
Hi, I want some of your opinons on Marineland's compact hang on canister filters. I am thinking about adding on some more filtration to my 33g tank.
What's on there now?
http:///forum/post/3091443
Hi, I want some of your opinons on Marineland's compact hang on canister filters. I am thinking about adding on some more filtration to my 33g tank.
What's on there now?
flower
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/3091449
I am not a fan of canister filters at all...
To me, it's like this...
If you dump a crap load of flake food into your tank, then scoop up as much as you can with a net, then you leave it in your tanks water to rot... That's what a canister does. It simply corrals the crap and food, it doesn't remove it from the tank, it simply holds it til it rots away...
Sorry but I have used canister filters for 30 years without a single problem. 4 years saltwater and still no issues, it takes less space and it doesn't require drilling any holes. I rinse the media in saltwater to keep th good bacteria...your version of a canister filter would be the same no matter the filter...if you have a filter pad, the water flows through, solids get trapped and the same water returns to the tank. So it isn't sitting in a there to rot, that "rot" as you call it is what breaks down the solids in a normal cycle...all filters do that.
my canister filter also has a nice flowbar so the surface is moved without using a power head, so my power heads can be used to create a nice current where it is more needed.
http:///forum/post/3091449
I am not a fan of canister filters at all...
To me, it's like this...
If you dump a crap load of flake food into your tank, then scoop up as much as you can with a net, then you leave it in your tanks water to rot... That's what a canister does. It simply corrals the crap and food, it doesn't remove it from the tank, it simply holds it til it rots away...
Sorry but I have used canister filters for 30 years without a single problem. 4 years saltwater and still no issues, it takes less space and it doesn't require drilling any holes. I rinse the media in saltwater to keep th good bacteria...your version of a canister filter would be the same no matter the filter...if you have a filter pad, the water flows through, solids get trapped and the same water returns to the tank. So it isn't sitting in a there to rot, that "rot" as you call it is what breaks down the solids in a normal cycle...all filters do that.
my canister filter also has a nice flowbar so the surface is moved without using a power head, so my power heads can be used to create a nice current where it is more needed.
ophiura
Active Member
It is a question of why you are adding "more filtration" to your tank.
If you need circulation...no
If you need mechanical filtration...maybe
If you need biological filtration...no
If you are trying to consolidate other hang on filters...maybe
If you are trying to solve a nitrate issue...no
If you aren't really good and faithful in cleaning out your existing filters, then a cannister, IMO, will not help you.
They certainly can work, but I, personally, need to understand more about your question in order to answer.
Marineland makes good products, but whether it is the right place to invest your money...
If you need circulation...no
If you need mechanical filtration...maybe
If you need biological filtration...no
If you are trying to consolidate other hang on filters...maybe
If you are trying to solve a nitrate issue...no
If you aren't really good and faithful in cleaning out your existing filters, then a cannister, IMO, will not help you.
They certainly can work, but I, personally, need to understand more about your question in order to answer.
Marineland makes good products, but whether it is the right place to invest your money...
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tizzo
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Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3092738
Sorry but I have used canister filters for 30 years without a single problem. 4 years saltwater and still no issues, it takes less space and it doesn't require drilling any holes. I rinse the media in saltwater to keep th good bacteria...your version of a canister filter would be the same no matter the filter...if you have a filter pad, the water flows through, solids get trapped and the same water returns to the tank. So it isn't sitting in a there to rot, that "rot" as you call it is what breaks down the solids in a normal cycle...all filters do that.
my canister filter also has a nice flowbar so the surface is moved without using a power head, so my power heads can be used to create a nice current where it is more needed.
I don't think they are a "bad" addition to the tank, I think they are a useless one.
Your right in that all filters do that... all canister filters. A protein skimmer removes what it removes from the water column all together, and a sock gets changed out...or SHOULD get changed out at least every 2 days.
You say yourself that the solids get trapped and it breaks down in a normal cycle. Do you remember what the very first part of the cycle is??
It does go through it's cycle, but ammonia is ammonia for at least 3 days before the trites start. You beneficial bacteria is in place to neutralize it asap, but it's still there. For example, when a fish pees, it's ammonia entering the water. The bacteria handles it as quickly as possible, but for 3 days, that little drop is still ammonia.
I do not think they will "hurt" your tank. But I don't think they help either.
As Ophi points out, it is a mechanical filter. And if your diligent in cleaning out the pads, then it won't hurt. But why not let the food fall all the way to the bottum and let the hermits take care of it.
http:///forum/post/3092738
Sorry but I have used canister filters for 30 years without a single problem. 4 years saltwater and still no issues, it takes less space and it doesn't require drilling any holes. I rinse the media in saltwater to keep th good bacteria...your version of a canister filter would be the same no matter the filter...if you have a filter pad, the water flows through, solids get trapped and the same water returns to the tank. So it isn't sitting in a there to rot, that "rot" as you call it is what breaks down the solids in a normal cycle...all filters do that.
my canister filter also has a nice flowbar so the surface is moved without using a power head, so my power heads can be used to create a nice current where it is more needed.
I don't think they are a "bad" addition to the tank, I think they are a useless one.
Your right in that all filters do that... all canister filters. A protein skimmer removes what it removes from the water column all together, and a sock gets changed out...or SHOULD get changed out at least every 2 days.
You say yourself that the solids get trapped and it breaks down in a normal cycle. Do you remember what the very first part of the cycle is??
It does go through it's cycle, but ammonia is ammonia for at least 3 days before the trites start. You beneficial bacteria is in place to neutralize it asap, but it's still there. For example, when a fish pees, it's ammonia entering the water. The bacteria handles it as quickly as possible, but for 3 days, that little drop is still ammonia.
I do not think they will "hurt" your tank. But I don't think they help either.
As Ophi points out, it is a mechanical filter. And if your diligent in cleaning out the pads, then it won't hurt. But why not let the food fall all the way to the bottum and let the hermits take care of it.