oscars

taznut

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i know this is freshwater and im sorry if this offends anyone... i have heard in the past that oscars get something called 'hole in head disease' and mine has had in before but it cleared up on its own... now he has it really bad and it is started to move down his body and i am scared it is going to kill him this time if i dont do something about it... what is the best thing to do??? i do 10gal water change every 2 weeks (55gal tank)... thanks for the help...
 

gillyweed

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Just doing a quick google search on it leads me to a site i am PM'ing to you for reference. It includes information and treatments for the disease; but a few quick points from that site for your info:
  • They believe Hole in the Head is the result of poor water quality over a long period of time. It's best to prevent Hole in the Head by doing the proper maintenance schedule.
    be sure your Oscar has a large enough aquarium. One large Oscar 8-inches in length needs at least 80-gallons of water. Two 8-inch Oscars need at least 150-gallons of water.
From the sounds of it I would guess (just a guess mind you) that your fish either needs a larger tank or more frequent water changes
 

taznut

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and he is now getting worse by the day... i have never seen this get to this extent before usually he gets a couple and they go away but this time it keeps getting more and the ones that have been there awhile keep getting deeper and bigger around... i hope its not too late...
 

taznut

Active Member
Originally Posted by Gillyweed
Just doing a quick google search on it leads me to a site i am PM'ing to you for reference. It includes information and treatments for the disease; but a few quick points from that site for your info:
  • They believe Hole in the Head is the result of poor water quality over a long period of time. It's best to prevent Hole in the Head by doing the proper maintenance schedule.
    be sure your Oscar has a large enough aquarium. One large Oscar 8-inches in length needs at least 80-gallons of water. Two 8-inch Oscars need at least 150-gallons of water.
From the sounds of it I would guess (just a guess mind you) that your fish either needs a larger tank or more frequent water changes

i was recently bidding on a larger tank on the E___ site and lost... i am looking for a bigger tank but am kinda limited since i live in an apartment... i know that it is ideal to have a huge tank for all fish but i know that rather big oscars can be kept in rather small tanks... this oscar is about 10" not (had him about 15 months) and my other one is about 7" and doesn't have any sign of this (had him about 6 months).... i will do a 20gal water change tonight and gravel vac hoping this clears up... is there any other suggest involving treatments or is it just a water/'to small of tank' problem...
 

jonthefishguy

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feeding goldfish, if you have often, causes liver damage among other things. Hole in the head is for the most part, bad water conditions.
 

bigarn

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Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
feeding goldfish, if you have often, causes liver damage among other things. Hole in the head is for the most part, bad water conditions.
Not doubting you at all fishguy, back in the day I was told goldfish contained some chemical that contributed to hole in the head. Thanks for the info.
 

jonthefishguy

Active Member
You can use a product called HOLE-N-HEAD GUARD. But you have to be diligent about making sure you take better care of the water and living conditions or it will be all for nothing.
Also known as: Head and Lateral Line Erosion Disease (HLLD or HLLE), Lateral Line Erosion (LLE), Lateral Line Disease (LLD).
This disease is especially common in discus fish and Oscar fish and causes large cavities and soars on the head and along the lateral line of the fish. The open wounds caused by hole in the head disease are very distinctive and makes this disease easy to discover and diagnose. If your fish has growing wounds on its head it is likely suffering from hole in the head disease. Early signs of this disease are small pits on the head of the fish. This disease often appears simultaneous with a disease called Hexamita and this has lead to these two diseases being frequently confused with each other. Hexamita attacks the intestines of the fish and can often be the cause of the hole in the head disease which has been attributed to nutritional deficiency, The two diseases are however not one and the same.
Hole in the head disease is believed to be the result of a deficiency of one or several of the following nutrients: Phosphorus, Calium, Vitamin C and Vitamin D. This deficiency can as earlier mentioned be caused by Hexamita and its effect on the digestive system but it can also be a result of poor water quality, poor diet or over filtration using chemical filtration.
Hole in the head disease is often very hard to cure, especially in its later stages, but an improved diet with more vitamins and increasing the water quality by cleaning the tank and performing more frequent water changes might help. It is also recommended to remove any chemical filtration such as active carbon filtration. Improving the diet of the fish can include adding vitamins to the diet, introducing vitamin rich flake food to the diet and removing (or at least cut down on) nutrient poor feeder fish and beef heart from the diet.
 

taznut

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wow your guys respond quick... i feed them about 7 dozen gold fish a week (3 1/2 twice a week) and also some cichlid pelets... if this is too much what should i feed them... and as i said i do 10gal every 2 weeks... if this isnt enough what should i do in the future... i will do 20gal tonight unless someone thinks that is too much (i use purified water)...
 

taznut

Active Member
thanks fishguy... from what your saying im doing everything wrong... lol... im going to the store tonight i will pick up something with more vitamins in it and stop with all the feeders and do a water change... should i take out the carbon on my filters??? if so how does this help keep the water cleaner???
 

taznut

Active Member
Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
7 dozen... what are you doing? Okay first, how many oscars in what size tank and why are you feeding 7 dozen?
i have 2 oscars (10" and 6") and a 12" gar, a few smaller cats (getting rid of them ASAP and a small biker eel (thats what the store called it when i got it)... i buy 10dzn feeder a week but i have parahna and a turtle in different tanks that i give some too but i dont really count how many to each...
 

jonthefishguy

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switch to ACTUALL food thatis make for oscars with vitamins and stop feeding feeders to all your fish. test your water for ph,ammonium, AND nitrates. No doubt your fish are in some serious nitrate issues. Feed EVERY OTHER DAY and only ONCE a day. So what if they are looking as if they look like they are hungry. Keep the feeding to a minimun and NO MORE FEEDERS.
 

deniki

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Some of the species used as feeder fish (goldfish and rosy red minnows) contain high quantities of thiaminase, an enzyme that destroys Vitamin B1 and when fed in large quantities cause nutritional imbalances. Because of the conditions under which feeder fish are held, they are also likely to carry bacterial infections and parasites, and these can be passed along to any fish that eat them.
I had two beautiful Oscars that I lost during our move. It was unfortunate, as they were our most personable fish.
I don't claim to be an expert, but I know quite a bit when it comes to cichlids.
 

taznut

Active Member
i will do this tonight and stop with the feeders (it is extreamly expesive anyway) do you think i need to use anything to clear this up or just water changes and better food will do the trick??? thank you for your help... my big oscar is my baby and i dont want to lose him...
 

gillyweed

Member

Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
You can use a product called HOLE-N-HEAD GUARD. But you have to be diligent
about making sure you take better care of the water and living conditions or it will be all for nothing.
 

jonthefishguy

Active Member
As I posted before, hole in the head disease is often very hard to cure, especially in its later stages, but an improved diet with more vitamins and increasing the water quality by cleaning the tank and performing more frequent water changes might help. And use the meds.
 

deniki

New Member
Also, pick up a Freshwater Masters Kit. You need to get those nitrates, nitrites, and ammonia readings under control asap.
 
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