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kornele23

Member
We had an outbreak of ich in my DT. We tried to medicate the DT with no success. Everything but the 3 Chromisis (sp??) died. That was a hard one. 4 PJ's, dori, powder blue, and nemo.
We had bought and set up a QT tank and took the chromisis out. Those were hard little fella's to get out. We had bough 2 new fish, an angelfish (i think it is a koran) and a maroon clown and stuck them in the QT as well. Along with other problems we had in the QT, our maroon clown got Brookenella and died. Our angel is still alive, but has that virus that never goes away (cant think of the name off the top of my head). anyways, after 8 weeks of leaving the DT empty, we finally put our angel fish and 3 Chromisis back into the tank. About 3 weeks ago we bought a pair of clown fish and put them into a QT tank. All was well. about 2 weeks ago, my husband bought a yellow tang that had been at the LFS for about 2 months who was healthy and had no signs of any disease. It was an impromptu buy so we had no QT set up - besides the one that is already occupied. It's small - so with 2 other fish in it - the yellow tang would not have fit in such a tight space. SO he put it straight into the DT. It's hard to tell on the yellow - but i'm quite certain he has ich. and GOOD LUCK on getting him out of that DT to get him into QT. Angel is now all discolored. I can see white spots on his fin, but his first "disease" or virus he had were those white spots on it, so I don't know if maybe his virus is coming back?!? Before his first outbreak - he became discolored. It's just so hard to tell on the yellow if he has ich or not. He still acts scared when we come around, so he hides alot. When I do see him...it's because he is darting by so I only get little glimpses of him. Since he is yellow...I just can't tell!! I think it is...but again...I can't be certain. In my husbands defense, and we are still "rookies" at this - The lady at the LFS told us it would be ok to put the yellow tang into our DT because she had had him for so long now.
I give up. If someone could tell me a good DT ich method, that would be great. But I can't catch any of those fish in my big tank to get them into the QT. My husband has given up completely and wont help me. I don't know what to do. :( My QT tank is only a 10 gallon right now. Probably not a good idea to stick the tang, angel, 3 chromsis and the nemos all in that tank. I have a 29 gallon, but my husband won't set it up. I'm just kinda running out of options.
We've had nothing but problems and it just doesn't seem worth all this effort to keep getting sick fish.
 

kornele23

Member
Its not the setting the 29 up thats hard. well it is - kind of..when I have no help. It's mainly getting the fish out of the DT. there's too many places to hide and they are too fast. I just don't have the time right now to be spending all night tryng to catch them.
 

nigerbang

Active Member
The chromis and Clowns you might be able to get with the ol' bottle trick..Do a search on here and see if you can find the specifics of it..The yellow and angel might prove to be more difficult..Might have to pull out some rock to catch them..I had to catch a 30" Green Moray by pulling out about 250lbs of rock...Sucks, but sometimes it has to be done..
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
You must QT all fish adequately before putting them in the display. That is the only way to avoid this.
Is your display fish only, no live rock, inverts?
 

kornele23

Member
no we have live rock, crabs, snails, and some sort of boxer looking shrimp.
And Nemo is already in the QT tank. Has been there since we bought him. Infact he killed the other nemo this morning in there. All of our fish since out first episode of ich have been QT'd except this tang - hence the new outbreak of...im guessing its ich. I can't identify it. I can't see him well enough to get a good look. But it looks as if Nemo in the QT has ich too, or some form of it. and that 10 gallon QT is not big enough to house the clown, the tang, the angel and 3 chromisis.
and LOL to the bottle trick with the chromisis. have you seen how fast they swim?? I swear they can beat the tang and angel if they wanted to lol.
and I know QT is the way to go. It was an impromptu buy on my husbands part, and when he brought the tang home, the QT already had 2 nemos in it, and it was only a 10 gallon, so there was no where else to put him besides the DT. The LFS owner said she had him for about 2 months and she was "certain" he had no diseases. I'm starting to wonder if anything that comes out of mouth recently is correct.
 

kornele23

Member
Let me reiterate....that I'm not even certain the tang has ich. I'm not sure at all. And by moving him...I'd be subjecting him to stress....even more if he is already stressed out. Im just frustrated and confused as to what to do from this point. Any good suggestions as to how to get a better look at a yellow tang to see if he has ich?? it's not like it stands out and is easy to see like on a hippo or other darker colored fish.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
If it were me, I would remove live rock and inverts to a rubbermaid with water and powerheads, and then treat the display tank, with fish, with hyposalinity. Once you eliminate the ich, then always use the QT first before adding fish, following the suggestions in the FAQ Thread at the top of this forum.
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by Beth
If it were me, I would remove live rock and inverts to a rubbermaid with water and powerheads, and then treat the display tank, with fish, with hyposalinity. Once you eliminate the ich, then always use the QT first before adding fish, following the suggestions in the FAQ Thread at the top of this forum.
Exactly
There are many people on lately promoting other treatment methods that they claim "work". This is time tested and one of the only two methods to kill ich. The other is copper treatment that is used if needed but isn't usualy. Hypo is much safer.
 

kornele23

Member
Originally Posted by Beth
If it were me, I would remove live rock and inverts to a rubbermaid with water and powerheads, and then treat the display tank, with fish, with hyposalinity. Once you eliminate the ich, then always use the QT first before adding fish, following the suggestions in the FAQ Thread at the top of this forum.
Wouldn't this kill my live sand?
I've got a rubbermaid filling with water as we speak to put the rock into so I can actually get the fish out of the DT. I have a 29 gallon QT that I've just got up and running to transfer this fish into. My only concern was that 29 gallon might not be big enough for all of my fish. I have a yellow tang, a koran angelfish, a clown fish, and 3 chromisis. I thought this small environment for these fish may induce more stress and do more harm than good.
Whoever said that it wasn't hard to get a QT up and running was full of it. That was a lot of work. I haven't even gotten to the hard part yet, which is trying to catch the fish!!!
 

florida joe

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by NigerBang
The chromis and Clowns you might be able to get with the ol' bottle trick..Do a search on here and see if you can find the specifics of it..The yellow and angel might prove to be more difficult..Might have to pull out some rock to catch them..I had to catch a 30" Green Moray by pulling out about 250lbs of rock...Sucks, but sometimes it has to be done..
taking 250lbs of live rock out man thats crazy
 

rudedog40

Member
Can you post a pic of the yellow tang? Do you only see a couple of spots on the tang, and nothing on any of the other fish? Which fish do you have in your DT now? Don't overreact and start a major destruction of your DT because you think you MAY have ich on one fish. If you do think it's ich, you may have the same scenario as I had with my blue hippo. He was a new acquistion and was the only fish who showed signs of ich. I treated my tank with Ich Attack, then fed the fish Metronidazole and garlic. It's been over two months and I haven't seen any signs of ich on any of my fish.
Why are the responders on this thread pushing her to setup this 29 gallon QT when she already has an established 10 gallon QT up and running? All the debates I've had about QT tanks, evryone says "A 10 gallon QT is fine for several large fish for the short time they have to be in there." Now all of a sudden, a 10 gallon isn't sufficient?
 

kornele23

Member
well my clown fish was showing signs of ick. After monitoring the yellow for a few days it is clear he does have ick. Also, the angelfish was showing discoloration and some spots on his fins. They are finally all out of the tank. I had to remove 90% of my rock to get them out, but they are out and ALL in the 29 gallon QT.
Too many people saying different things. Im just confused at this point which to do, and I'm afraid i've caused more harm than good. But, needless to say, they are all QT'd now. My tank is now fallow and will remain that way for 8 weeks. I just hope they all make it such a small environment together. I went ahead and took the chromisis out because I don't just want to get rid of the signs of ich. I want to rid my tank completely. (again). for now...they all seem fine in the tank. I'm about to begin the first stages of hypo. Lets hope this "proved" plan really works.
 

rudedog40

Member
Sounds like you have the hard part done. Good luck on the treatment. Keep us updated on your progress and any problems you may have.
 

kornele23

Member
Perhaps I'm asking something that has been posted before, but how long do you do the hypo for and when can you usually see results from this method?
The tang was freaking out and breathing really fast for a while. The black on his belly has gone away but he is still breathing very rapidly. He won't eat. The others are eating fine.
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by Kornele23
Perhaps I'm asking something that has been posted before, but how long do you do the hypo for and when can you usually see results from this method?
The tang was freaking out and breathing really fast for a while. The black on his belly has gone away but he is still breathing very rapidly. He won't eat. The others are eating fine.
The ich drop off after about a week. You hold the SG at 1.009 for three weeks after the last sign of ich is gone. You will have to check the SG in the morning and at night and top off as needed. Did you acclimate the fish into the qt? The tang will be alright, keep the lights off.
 
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