PAY THE MAN!!! (Unless the man is a college athelete...)

theclemsonkid

theclemsonkid

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This argument of "should college athletes be paid" has gotten so boring to me. Is there any real question as to whether they should get a little piece of the pie?
It's a no brainer...
What makes me chuckle however, is that the people who are most passionately against giving these kids anything, are the same ones who lean right on most issues. Why is that?
I've been lectured time and time again how if you want something in this country, you need to bust your hump and do it the hard way. Earn the respect and the money by working harder than everyone else. If you do that, you shall reap the benefits*
*Unless you are a college athlete at a big time NCAA university.
In 2010, the University of Texas football team took in a 68 million dollar profit. Not revenue, profit. So after all salaries for coaches, staff, and employees; as well as general costs are paid out; they have 68 million dollars left over. Those 75 players earned that school 68 million dollars in one season. Break that down, and you are looking at $906,000 per player.
So instead, let's toss them a $35,000 a year free ride, prohibit them from working, and get upset when players feel like they are getting screwed to the wall...
Then on top of that, you get to look up in the stands and see thousands of people rocking your Nike jersey that they each paid $80 a pop for, while you have to go home and feel bad about taking $50 from a booster to get some dinner...
If I'm not mistaken, isn't this the land of free markets, where if you do the work and bust your hump, you shall reap the benefits? You really feel like a free four year education worth $150,000 is fair compensation for earning your university almost $4 million dollars over that same period? If you do, then you obviously don't know how a free market works... (And for the record, 76 of the 119 schools in the FBS earn more than $35,000 per player per season based on revenue)
**Disclaimer** Yes, I know this is only applicable for the big schools who are bringing in this kind of money, and I am completely fine with saying that athletes at Ohio State and Texas should be getting paid while kids at places like Akron and Toledo don't. You know why? Because the kids who are playing at OSU and Texas are the best of the best. Just like any other company in America. The best of the best get PAID. If you don't like that fact, maybe you should go talk to Obama and the Occupy people...
 
darthtang aw

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fine...they can get paid. and from that payment they can foot their own college tuition....also pay for their own housing.....and pay for their own food. not to mention tutors. and anything else the need. the can foot the utilities bill as well......pay money for campus provided transportation and any medical rehab they might need.....surgeries...etc....
once they start getting paid.....the focus of a colege is removed from education and is then looked at more like a job. educatiopn during this tenure is looked at less and the emphasis will be less. also...what prevents a person from never graduating or moving on to pro sports and just keep getting paid. the minute it becomes a job....their performance will be evaluated yearly. thus colleges could drop those players that arent performing if their is someone else that is. thus the players would be subject to more scrutiny. thus more expectations to perform.
darth (it isnt a right or left issue) Tang
 
snakeblitz33

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You make a valid point.
How about all those college students who have genuine artistic or intellectual abilities who have to pay their own way through college without any type of benefits? College football is about playing the game, and getting a free college tuition. Going pro is the big time - where you get paid to train and play ball. College football weeds out the pro players who are the best of the best that do go on to become pro. I see no reason why college players should get paid. Colleges use the money from their athletics to pay their bills, electricity, gas, water, maintenance, new facilities for athletics, better coaches, etc. etc. The money shouldn't go to the players, but to benefit the whole entire group. Now that's Obamanomics.
 
mantisman51

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Well Darth, I can see the point, but the NFL, NBA and MLB have all been strong-armed by the NCAA into not allowing non-collegiate athletes from being drafted. So if the NCAA wants to force kids to go through their plantation system, they darn well ought to pay them.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Well Darth, I can see the point, but the NFL, NBA and MLB have all been strong-armed by the NCAA into not allowing non-collegiate athletes from being drafted. So if the NCAA wants to force kids to go through their plantation system, they darn well ought to pay them.
are colleges privately owned? or would this be another state funded employee? not that it would change my mind.....
you can walk onto an nfl team.....it has been done before. baseball.
 
mantisman51

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It is very rare. Teams no longer have regular "walk on" trials like they used to. And it is the draft where young kids have the best opportunity to make a decent amount of money verses the physical risks.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/388746/pay-the-man-unless-the-man-is-a-college-athelete#post_3430329
fine...they can get paid. and from that payment they can foot their own college tuition....also pay for their own housing.....and pay for their own food. not to mention tutors. and anything else the need. the can foot the utilities bill as well......pay money for campus provided transportation and any medical rehab they might need.....surgeries...etc....
once they start getting paid.....the focus of a colege is removed from education and is then looked at more like a job. educatiopn during this tenure is looked at less and the emphasis will be less. also...what prevents a person from never graduating or moving on to pro sports and just keep getting paid. the minute it becomes a job....their performance will be evaluated yearly. thus colleges could drop those players that arent performing if their is someone else that is. thus the players would be subject to more scrutiny. thus more expectations to perform.
darth (it isnt a right or left issue) Tang
College football players only have four years of eligibility. That's why a lot of these kids straight out of high school get "red shirted" their first year in college, so they can get them up to speed in practice sessions and such so they can have a quality player for their four year "tenor" in the game. Focus of college removed? You mean these kids who get "drafted" by these colleges with their only vision is to make it to the NFL? The one's that major in Physical Education, Art History, Communications. or some other worthless degree?
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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College football players only have four years of eligibility.  That's why a lot of these kids straight out of high school get "red shirted" their first year in college, so they can get them up to speed in practice sessions and such so they can have a quality player for their four year "tenor" in the game.  Focus of college removed?  You mean these kids who get "drafted" by these colleges with their only vision is to make it to the NFL?  The one's that major in Physical Education, Art History, Communications. or some other worthless degree?
so pay them...and make them purchase everything on their own. just dont whine to me as a parent when the college trades your kid to another college.......not all college athletes are your stereotype basketweaver. in fact...many of them do earn solid realistic degrees. why am i not surprised you only reference the "dumb" ones.
why stop at college? high school athletes earn their schools revenue as well...under the same logic should they not also be paid?
 
theclemsonkid

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/388746/pay-the-man-unless-the-man-is-a-college-athelete#post_3430354
so pay them...and make them purchase everything on their own. just dont whine to me as a parent when the college trades your kid to another college.......not all college athletes are your stereotype basketweaver. in fact...many of them do earn solid realistic degrees. why am i not surprised you only reference the "dumb" ones.
why stop at college? high school athletes earn their schools revenue as well...under the same logic should they not also be paid?
I don't know what high schools are turning profits. Here in Ohio, almost half the high schools are now on the "pay to play" system, and the ones who aren't are always taking a loss...
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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towns in the state of texas will have 5000 people stadiums for football...the town will only have a population of 3000. that stadium will be packed every game........the schools make a profit off the football program...so we should pay those kids. after all...just like the business world...not all are successful or will turn a profit. but, the kids generate money. so pay them. does it matter if high school? what is the difference? does it matter if the school is making money? as you stated...not all colleges make money off their sports programs. but all college athletes should be paid...as should all high school athletes.
 
theclemsonkid

theclemsonkid

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/388746/pay-the-man-unless-the-man-is-a-college-athelete#post_3430363
towns in the state of texas will have 5000 people stadiums for football...the town will only have a population of 3000. that stadium will be packed every game........the schools make a profit off the football program...so we should pay those kids. after all...just like the business world...not all are successful or will turn a profit. but, the kids generate money. so pay them. does it matter if high school? what is the difference? does it matter if the school is making money? as you stated...not all colleges make money off their sports programs. but all college athletes should be paid...as should all high school athletes.
Well my high school, the Massillon Tigers,draws 10,000+ on an average home game, and tomorrow will draw over 18,000 for our big rivalry game against Canton McKinley at the Pro Football Hall of Fame stadium. Yet both districts are broke and going broker. So I'm not sure what that says about the state of things in this state...
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/388746/pay-the-man-unless-the-man-is-a-college-athelete#post_3430354
so pay them...and make them purchase everything on their own. just dont whine to me as a parent when the college trades your kid to another college.......not all college athletes are your stereotype basketweaver. in fact...many of them do earn solid realistic degrees. why am i not surprised you only reference the "dumb" ones.
why stop at college? high school athletes earn their schools revenue as well...under the same logic should they not also be paid?
There are some very intelligent football players on all college teams, you see one highlighted all the time with a 3.8 or 3.9 GPA in Chemical Engineering, Physics, etc. Thre majority of those don't continue into the NFL, or they decided to take college seriously because they know if they do manae to get on an NFL team, that career averages 8 years at most.
If you told the parents of a football phenom that their son would get paid $50,000 - $100,000/year to play football, and they would be responsible for all expenses, they'd jump on it in a heartbeat. Problem is, this would never wash with the NCAA. Simply becaus the top-tier schools would get all the recruits. You'd have the same 5 to 10 schools winning the BCS Championship every year.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Well my high school, the Massillon Tigers,draws 10,000+ on an average home game, and tomorrow will draw over 18,000 for our big rivalry game against Canton McKinley at the Pro Football Hall of Fame stadium.  Yet both districts are broke and going broker.  So I'm not sure what that says about the state of things in this state...
doesn't matter if they are broke. your whole premise is some colleges make a profit off the playing of the athletees...others do not...yet all should be paid in money. high schools are no different...they all make money off athletes. so your high school athletes should be paid as well. where is the difference? argue for one but not the other is hypocritical.
 
oscardeuce

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Who else gets paid? Just the "big sports" like football and basketball? What about hockey, rifle and pistol teams, all those should they get paid too?
What about the marching bands? I spent 3 years in Ohio State's marching band. I know I spent hour for hour as much time on band stuff as football players spent on football stuff. I still graduated with a BS in Chemistry.
Where does it stop?
What about the "amateur status".
I never got a cent for all the time I spent. I had to pay for dry cleaning and care of the uniform, valve oil, etc. It cost me to perform. No free tutition fall quarter. Basically nothing but a sense of "job well done".
A free education is all they need at that level.
Oh, and a free tattoo!
 
mantisman51

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Actually, I think if nothing else, just ease up on giving them jobs and housing and such. A perfect example of how ridiculous the rules are is Boise State football. After wasting 18 months and hundreds of thousands of dollars, they were fined and lost 3 scholarships because some of the older football players let the incoming freshman sleep on their floors and couches. They tore that university apart and all they could find was "unauthorized housing allowances"-for letting poor kids sleep in the apartments and dorm rooms of upper classmen. That was nothing more than a witch hunt by the NCAA because BSU was embarrassing the big schools with their football program and they used the rules against payments to student athletes as the excuse. You know what, it doesn't hurt anyone or the so-called integrity of the programs if a student sells his old jersey for $1000. Fine, to be "fair" to all the worthless sports, we'll make sure these kids live in abject poverty and then complain if a fan buys them an XBox 360 or God help us, someone buys them dinner.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/388746/pay-the-man-unless-the-man-is-a-college-athelete#post_3430394
Actually, I think if nothing else, just ease up on giving them jobs and housing and such. A perfect example of how ridiculous the rules are is Boise State football. After wasting 18 months and hundreds of thousands of dollars, they were fined and lost 3 scholarships because some of the older football players let the incoming freshman sleep on their floors and couches. They tore that university apart and all they could find was "unauthorized housing allowances"-for letting poor kids sleep in the apartments and dorm rooms of upper classmen. That was nothing more than a witch hunt by the NCAA because BSU was embarrassing the big schools with their football program and they used the rules against payments to student athletes as the excuse. You know what, it doesn't hurt anyone or the so-called integrity of the programs if a student sells his old jersey for $1000. Fine, to be "fair" to all the worthless sports, we'll make sure these kids live in abject poverty and then complain if a fan buys them an XBox 360 or God help us, someone buys them dinner.
If a student athelete sells his/her jersey, who paid for it in the first place? If they bought it then OK, but is the school/athletic department paid for it, and they sell it, then that is theft.
 
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