People need to calm down...

kamaqazi21

Member
Well i have been on the posts a while now, i enjoy reading the all material the forum covers and it always helps me out. This is one of the best forums on saltwater fish there is, if not the best. Sometimes when im reading through i see alot of people arguing and it bothers me. Everyone is here to get help or give it and arguing will just create more problems. When we say...hey i dont think this fish should be in your tank, your tank isnt big enough, and blah blah blah. Those statements create alot of drama. Yes, you should state you be able to state your opinion but usually it creates more problems. When we say such things we are only looking out for people and their investment, but us saying so, it will not make the person take the fish or other marine life out of their tanks. I just think people should help out and be able to state their opinions without getting bashed by others. Everyone is here to help and everyone wishes that everyone has great sucess in this hobby. So goodluck, and remember just chill out, gain knowledge and most of all have fun. :happyfish
 

corally

Active Member
When I first started posting most people were very helpful but their was one person in particular that made me feel like an idiot. I've seen other newbies being treated rudely as well. Aren't we here to help these people?
 

kamaqazi21

Member
Yeah, i have no problem with criticism but i just hate it when people argue instead of answering the post, and try to see who is smarter and knows more. Sometimes its funny...lol but mostly its a waste of time.
 

jerth6932

Active Member
I sure hope so, cause I have alot of questions and any one belittling me or putting me down.... that just doesen't help the situation... I just started with my 24 Nano on Dec. 11th... But I have been reading this site as a non member for awhile... but I wanted to ask questions... so I hope I am not treated like a new B, but maybe as an equal that knows a little less....lol... Ok lets not kid our selves.... I know nothing... but I am a sponge and soaking it all up!
 

kamaqazi21

Member
Nice nice, good luck with your tank and post if you have question everyone is here to help you out.
PS. GO HORNS, HOOK EM :joy:
 
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thomas712

Guest
Please make the mods aware of rude posts. That being said. There are times when someone should point out that a tang and an anemone do not belong in a nano tank. And yes this could usually be done with more tact and diplomacy.
There are from time to time some people with too much time on there hands and that just love to start arguments and problems, don't hesitate to point them out to us. In many cases we don't need that type of poster.
Thanks
Thomas712
 

murph

Active Member
When compared to other forums I think we have a pretty decent community here. Even the occasional debates don't usually degenerate into the flame wars I have witnessed on other forums with even more benign topics than aquarium keeping.
The bigger problem IMO is that excepted methods are becoming pretty much written in stone with little tolerance being given to experimentation or other less Orthodox methods. There is not much doubt that there are people out there who have discovered and are having some success with these other methods but shy away from posting these to the various forums without fear of responses like, "your fish will be dead in a month". This is leading to stagnation in a far from perfected hobby.
IN the mid eighties from what I can remember the excepted methods where CC substrate UG filters in skimmerless systems and the longer you could go without making a water change while still maintaining water quality was considered a sign of success.
Imagine if you will forums like this existed back then and I posted that I had remove my UG filter replaced my CC with a 4 inch sand bed and added a large amount of rock from the wild and have begun making 15 percent water changes weekly.
These days the likely response from some would have been; "You will hopelessly disrupt your biological filtration with that deep a substrate and water changes, introduce a multitude of parasites and other unwanted life with the rock and your fish will be dead in a month"
 

swlover

Member
Hey guys I know what you mean, I too am new and asking for help can be intimidating. I used to belong to another forum and let me tell you they were just rude and didn't have any patients. It seemed like every time i asked a simple question I got bombarded with people trying to out do one another with answers-showing off if you will-I had no idea what they were talking about and it never answered my questions. Then when I got frustrated and kept asking the same questions over and over-they called me names, belittled me etc..The only thing that bothers me about this site is sometimes you post stuff and no one helps, or one person answers your thread-then when you respond to the one answer they don't check back and it gets lost in the posts. I think people look at the more intersting posts to answer or maybe it has been asked too many times and they just get tired of answering the same questions..thats why I check past threads now, if I see it has been mentioned before I just read that one, sometimes it helps sometimes not. I just don't like smart a**es, no reason to be like that when people are asking for adise or wanting help, posting in the off topic forum, THE AQUARIUM..now there is some drama!
 

gamma

Member
All,
I am also new to practicing SW but have educated myself well and do quit a bit of reserch regularly, with enjoyment.
I have found this forum to be quite informative and helpful.
I too would like to see more people who look at posts reply to them as there are many who just don't get any reply.
The truth is the truth but tact is a good practice.
The encouragment given here is great to see!
I think it would be helpful if everyone would try to remember how it felt being new to the hobby. :happyfish
 

sw65galma

Active Member
Not to defend rude behavior, but a few things come into play. One is sometimes things are take wrongly because you are just reading text. 10 people could read the same sentence and 2 will say it's ok and 3 will say its rude 1 person might think its awseom, 2 others may think it's wrong etc.
Anyway, there are a lot of people who cruz the boards A LOT, like myself...with 1,000s of posts. Most of these post are repeats of the same thing, so we are posting NO you can't have TANG in a NANO 100000x's. We have to struggle with posting the same thing over again at the same time as providing important information to the aquariast. And sometimes the frustation builds and bursts.
Now the important thing to remeber is the frustration isn't so much at YOU the aquariast, it's at the people giving YOU the wrong info to begin with...And sometimes it's personal because we were given the same WRONG BAD advice when we started out.
There are some BAD N00B's that are just hell bent on doing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons and that will get flames...like the "im putting a shark in a 30 and no one can stop me"
So don't take anything personal and ask your questions away!
 

coachklm

Active Member
I've been on ahwile but i consider myself a Newbie, i actually enjoy sharing my knowledge with others with the realization that other may come along and either 1.expand on the information i provide or 2.(call me names) and give there own advise. these are two of the realizations all posters must realize, it happens and shouldnt but I think we are all here to learn and I (with nothing else better to do) love sharing my experiences or asking questions to increase my knowledge. Learning never stops in this hobby and i will continue to share my knowledge as I have have learned it. my way may be different then his way but thats for the reader to discifer. If i do question the advise of another poster it's under the realization that the advise works just different way then mine and i'm trying to understand why it was done that way. I do differentiate my advise and determine what the best way to accomplish the goal would be determined by the experience of the one to ask the question. remember this is just what I do I cannot speak for those that feel they are superior in knowledge to others and feel they must prove it with harsh words as i never would.

**stepping down off soapbox**thankyou
***)
 

mr_bill

Active Member
Hmm, to tell you the truth I didn't even know there was any issues with rudeness. I've been on here for almost 1 year and I'm still a newb when it comes to alot of things in SW. As a matter of fact I bet you could easily find some diverse SW question that would make even the most expierenced SW hobbiest shrug their shoulders.
The good thing about this forum is that when you ask a question you will get a timely answer. If one of the lifers doesn't chime in with some advice, people like me will try to help out by comparing your issue with something we might have went through a month or two before.
 

clown123

Active Member
i only mess with them when i first talk to them gotta break the ice u know.lol but i havent seen anybody get on somebody else on here?
 

farmboy

Active Member
Some folks get their feelings hurt easier than others. Some don't realize they have hurt others feelings/offended others.
I've seen a couple of places where things got a little nasty(name calling) and the MODS were there pretty quick. Or members will "take up" for someone who is getting bashed. One thread, as I recal, the offender apologised and everything went back to normal.

Discussion boards can involve constructive disagreements, also. :thinking:
 

27mtaylor

Member
I feel like a lot of things can get taken the wrong way because we are simply typing responses. Unlike talking, typing shows no voice inflections or tones. I could see where this could lead to someone feeling like they were hit by a negative comment. But on a few occasions I have seen some comments that weren't too freindly.
 

pclown

Member
I am new here and I learn so much from your experiance. I dont have a problem with some telling NO DONT DO THAT!! if it is going to save me money and headach, not counting the fish's life. That is why I come. But I do wish more people would reply. I am thankful for those that do and I try to as well when it applies to something that I may know what I am talking about.
We can also teach or get our point across in a nice way, and if they dont listen than it is on them
 

nine28girl

Member
Originally Posted by Murph
When compared to other forums I think we have a pretty decent community here. Even the occasional debates don't usually degenerate into the flame wars I have witnessed on other forums with even more benign topics than aquarium keeping.
The bigger problem IMO is that excepted methods are becoming pretty much written in stone with little tolerance being given to experimentation or other less Orthodox methods. There is not much doubt that there are people out there who have discovered and are having some success with these other methods but shy away from posting these to the various forums without fear of responses like, "your fish will be dead in a month". This is leading to stagnation in a far from perfected hobby.
IN the mid eighties from what I can remember the excepted methods where CC substrate UG filters in skimmerless systems and the longer you could go without making a water change while still maintaining water quality was considered a sign of success.
Imagine if you will forums like this existed back then and I posted that I had remove my UG filter replaced my CC with a 4 inch sand bed and added a large amount of rock from the wild and have begun making 15 percent water changes weekly.
These days the likely response from some would have been; "You will hopelessly disrupt your biological filtration with that deep a substrate and water changes, introduce a multitude of parasites and other unwanted life with the rock and your fish will be dead in a month"

I am glad this was brought up because I was called just short of a fish murderer when I first posted. I had just had my tank a day or so when I started adding fish. My LFS had given me the web addresses for a couple sites this one included and I was reading everything I could find on taking care of things. After reading some stuff here I posted because I was so freaked out what was being said about cycling. I can't say people were rude really but they gave me many sleepless nights of worry. I can also tell you I was at my LFS every night for the first two months bugging him with questions and having him test my water. (EVERY NIGHT) Thankfully he was very patient. He Kept reassuring me and PROMISED me everything would be fine. I started up with biospira, tons of LR and LS. Today I am happy to report that after 3 months my fish are still alive and well. Aside from two fake perculas clowns that died from brook within days of buying them at ANOTHER LFS I have all the same fish. I do have an Achillis Tang with popeye now and I have no idea why he has it when he has always been very healthy - never one case of ick or anything. I am finding this extremely frustrating due to the lack of information available here AND in the books I have purchased. The only thing I can come up with is possibly not changing enough BUT all my parameters were good so I figured I'd let things be. Lesson learned there!
Now please, I am not suggesting everyone do it this way. Perhapes I was just VERY lucky I don't know. I can say that I did not cut ANY corners aside from time. I purchased a bigger pump, bigger skimmer, tons of LR and LS. Even my lights are over kill for 95 gallon tank at over 900 watts but I like it that way. It gives a little advantage I think.
Another example is fish compatiblity. I keep reading you can't have this with that etc.. it makes me crazy sometimes! Again maybe I am lucky but I have several Tangs together including 2 yellow Tangs, a purple Tang, Cole Tang, 4 clown fish (2 true percula and 2 Clark) etc and they all seem happy.
Bottom line- I think this site is awesome and there is a lot here to learn from other users with much more experience, but everyone has an opinion and sometimes what works for one person won't for another.
I do have to say I have an awesome LFS and I absolutely love them! They are very knowledgeable and will not sell you something just to make a sale. Maybe that and a combination of good luck and a little over kill make a difference. Anyway just my 2 cents ...
Samantha
 
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