pros and cons of Diy LED lights?

dirk_brijs

Member
there is so much to do about those LEDs nowedays but what actually about the cons and pros of this light except from the dollar figures?
Do they provide enough lumen and or enough K for example??
please do all give your opinions
what to use best if used bright white and blue, white and blue???
things like that we need to discuss here guys
Thanks
 

wangotango

Active Member
Pros: Low wattage=cheaper to run, run cool, long life if properly driven (~50,000 hours), they're dimmable allowing you to shift your color easily.
Cons: Expensive initial cost, you need a lot to cover your tank (one LED per about 10-20sq inches of tank surface).
People are using the 3W CREE XR-E or XP-G LEDs in a 50/50 spilt of Q5 Cool White and Royal Blue run by either Meanwell drivers or buckpucks. You're also going to need a heatsink and cooling fans.
There's lot of information and build threads on some of the other big forums. The are also PAR tests taken with and with out optics and different water depths which are comparable to good T5ho and metal halide systems.
 

king_neptune

Active Member
Originally Posted by dirk_brijs
http:///forum/post/3222533
would want to check the cost to make it here in Thailand where I think it to be cheaper
what colors to use?
Everything in Thailand is cheaper...or at least easier to get underground ^_^
To answer your question
Mostly White 3w, with royal blue 3w.
A typical DIY would be something like this:
36white/12blue
But I also have heard of people throwing in splashes of green, and red to come up with nice color scheme that make the colors of the coral really POP out. Automatic dimmers can intensify one color and soften another. And that in my book is a
 

king_neptune

Active Member
You should google "Evilcc66"
This guy has A LOT of diy led info and its too bad I cant give you some links. Hear is an example of some of his writings:
Parts You Need
LEDs (Light Emmiting Diodes)
The obvious thing you are going to need here are LEDs. There are many different manufacturers, models, shapes, colors, and mounting options. Some are a little easier to work with than others, while some are easier to get. The main brands that get used the most for DIY purposes are from Lumileds (Luxeon), Cree, and Seoul Semiconductor. I'll break them down here in detail.
Lumileds (Luxeon)
Probably one of the more well known companies in the high power LED game, they practically pioneered the industry years ago with the introduction of the Luxeon I, III, and V series LEDs. While not the most efficient nowadays, they paved the way from what we have now.
Their models include:
* Luxeon I
* Luxeon III
* Luxeon V
* K2
* K2 TFFC
* Rebel
The K2, K2 TFFC and Rebels are the LEDs that we are going to focus on from Lumileds. These are the newer generation of LEDs and have much higher efficiency and output in comparison to their older siblings. The K2 got Lumileds back in the race after Cree and SSC started cranking out some seriously high power LEDs. But they weren't without flaws. With the high drive currents used by the K2, they generated a lot of heat. The K2 TFFC fixed a lot of the problems by using technology that was developed for the Rebel. This brought output back up to where Cree and SSC are currently, and brought heat levels down.
Now the Rebel is the odd duck of the family, but not one to ignore. All the other LEDs are much larger in size, and are more easy to work with when they are not mounted to a pcb. The dedicated solder tabs make attaching wire much easier. The Rebels on the other hand are SMT (Surface Mount Technology). Think of all the tiny little chips that are soldered to PC motherboards and most modern electronics. They are very small, and with the solder pad under the LED itself, makes for a tricky package to work with. BUT, if you can get past that, you have the ability to create very high density arrays, that are very bright. It also gives the opportunity for great color mixing, which we will get into later. The current generation of Rebel LEDs are just about as bright as the best that all manufacturers have to offer.
All Luxeon LEDs are available in multiple colors to suit the needs of you application. Most of the time you will be focusing on cool white, blue, and royal blue.
Cree
A relative newcomer to the game, Cree has made a big splash by releasing some of the most powerful LEDs on the market. They are one of the most common LEDs that we end up using for DIY projects, mainly for their cheap availability from Asia, and their high output. Their models are covered under the XLamp brand and include:
* XR-E
* XR-C
* XR
* MC-E
Most of the Cree products that we are going to use are XR-E and XR models. The XR-E series has all the new super bright white LEDs, including the P4, Q2, Q4, Q5, and R2. These are brightness bins, that I will explain in the next section, but for right now, all you need to know is that the Q5 is the most common, and second highest brightness out of the lot. The XR series is used by us mainly for the blues. Idealy, the XR-E blues would be better, but are not as common, or as cheap as the XRs. They do work out quite well though.
The MC-E series is new, and is king of the hill in brightness in the Cree camp, but isn't particularly practical in our application. Because of it's extreme brightness, it makes it harder to effectively raise the color temperature with blue LEDs, and still get good color blending. Using an LED like this for spotlighting certain show corals, which is a very popular approach used in Japan, could be a good application for it.
Just like the Luxeons, most all of the different models are available in multiple colors, except the MC-E, which is only available in white.
Seoul Semiconductor (SSC)
SSC is in kind of a strange situation. As of late, they do not actually make the dice (the part of the LED that actually emmits light) that they put in their LEDs. They actually buy them from Cree and repackage them. This make their performance very similar to the Cree equivalents. The models that are most common are:
* P4
* P7
The P4 LEDs are the equivalent to the Cree XR-E LEDs. The biggest difference is in the viewing angle of the LED, which is greater on the P4. This doesn't mean it's a benefit. The smaller viewing angle on the Cree LEDs means that more light is pointing into the tank without the need for optics. The SSC LEDs are also not as common on the marketplace for DIYers to get a hold of.
The P7 is very similar to the Cree MC-E, and as a result, shares the same problems with using them in aquarium applications.
 

dirk_brijs

Member
want to go check here at a local LED design store what it would cost to do my project
I was thinking of a set up of 2 panels
length 71"
width 7.1"
with 171 white LED and 69 blue which would make in total 240light points spaced in 4 rows of 60 about 1.5 inches from eachother
spaced out like the attachment
note the light blue dots in the middle which would get a seperate connection as moonlight. All other blue and white lights will have seperate dimming capability.
Tank is 71L X 19.7D X 19.7W
would this be enough light or too much?
enough blue compared to white?
should I use 1W or 3W bulbs??
need alot of advise on this
 

king_neptune

Active Member
3w. do 3w. and one more time...do 3w. If you want to get really creative add a splash of 5w here and there with different lenses, to create spot lights. Also consider adding red or green into the mix hear and there can also cause a color shift that is pleasing. Ive seen people do these on dimmers, so they can increase specific light colors to the intensity they want. The possibilities are endless.
also for those that missed the other post i did:
Originally Posted by King_Neptune
http:///forum/post/3223995
Hear is some shots for yall:
LED alone right above the surface:

Raised to about where I would keep them if I hung them, note how the spread is better, but the cones represent where I feel I would get sufficient intensity to do corrals, camera just cant show what the human eye sees. Also notice the far end of the tank behind me, there is complete darkness:

And finally the light combined with a MH, pay attention to how the MH spreads the light much much wider:

Overall I think these lights will do great over a nano, infact AMAZING! But for larger systems, the best bet is to go with a DIY array, or something pre-made that has lenses on it.
Im now set that the money I would spend to buy 3 more of these arrays will be better spent on a DIY system that will give a much broader and more customizable coverage scheme.
These are going over a nano, its the excuse I needed to get one started. so overall Im not too bummed about these lights.
 
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