Question about Zoos with stalks.

[chrisnif]

Okay, so I was at a fellow reefer's house today and his zoos are all extremely flat on the rocks they occupy, mine on the other hand have about 1 inch long stalks with the tops being about the size of a dime or smaller depending on their mood for the day. He told me that if it has a stalk its a paly, but mine have very short tentacles more like a Zoo than the long stringy ones of a paly. I can get some pics tomorrow, they are nothing special just a plain pinky/orange color. They dont seem to like the current lighting even tho I've got them only an inch from the water. I'm hoping moving them to the big tank with metal halides in 6-8 weeks will help them out Either way if you could answer the corundum.
Also, can someone tell me a brand to look for to buy reef safe super glue and reef safe epoxy (aka hydroid tombs), and does the rock have to be dry to stick a frag to it with the glue?
Thanks

 

[cranberry]

Your friend is incorrect. The stalk is not the differentiating characteristic between zoas and palys.

 

[flower]

Coral reaches for light, some of my zoos are reaching, and some are flat on the rocks from the exact same type and frag. When you move them to the other tank with MH lighting they may shorten up.
As for glue: Regular super glue GEL. Just glob it on wet or pat dry with a paper towel on the rock your frag or coral is on....
It will get a film on it and turn white as it hits the water, not to worry. Just place it where you want it and hold for about 15 to 20 seconds and your all set. Don't move it after you set it in a spot. If you should accidently, just add more glue and try again, no need to clean off the first application of glue, just add to it.

 

[chrisnif]

So, let me make sure I have this right, super glue gel, take rock from water dab dry but completely isnt required, then put the glue on the rock and apply the coral to the rock.
Thanks
Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3185050

Coral reaches for light, some of my zoos are reaching, and some are flat on the rocks from the exact same type and frag. When you move them to the other tank with MH lighting they may shorten up.
As for glue: Regular super glue GEL. Just glob it on wet or pat dry with a paper towel on the rock your frag or coral is on....
It will get a film on it and turn white as it hits the water, not to worry. Just place it where you want it and hold for about 15 to 20 seconds and your all set. Don't move it after you set it in a spot. If you should accidently, just add more glue and try again, no need to clean off the first application of glue, just add to it.

 

[scopus tang]

Originally Posted by Chrisnif
http:///forum/post/3185251
So, let me make sure I have this right, super glue gel, take rock from water dab dry but completely isnt required, then put the glue on the rock and apply the coral to the rock.
Thanks
If you use the method you describe, be sure and place the glued frag back into some wastewater from your tank - the glue will "burn" the coral if left for too long without placing back in the water.
Most types of superglue gel are good - I pick mine up a the local dollar store, three tubes for a $1

 

[flower]

Originally Posted by Scopus Tang
http:///forum/post/3185295
If you use the method you describe, be sure and place the glued frag back into some wastewater from your tank - the glue will "burn" the coral if left for too long without placing back in the water.
Most types of superglue gel are good - I pick mine up a the local dollar store, three tubes for a $1

I am not sure what you mean by too long out of the water.

I just take the frag, turn it upside down to expose the small rock it is attached to, leaving the coral in the water as much as possible.
Coral in one hand, I dab it with a paper towel...then I glob the glue on about the size of a quarter, or nickle depending on the rock, heap it up. Within seconds I put the frag where I want it in the main tank and hold it there for about 15 seconds and I am done.
NOTE:
As a rule, I usually just set the coral where I want it at first to make sure it will be happy there if I can. I don't glue it in place until I am sure of placement.

 

[scopus tang]

Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3185323

I am not sure what you mean by too long out of the water.

I just take the frag, turn it upside down to expose the small rock it is attached to, leaving the coral in the water as much as possible.
Coral in one hand, I dab it with a paper towel...then I glob the glue on about the size of a quarter, or nickle depending on the rock, heap it up. Within seconds I put the frag where I want it in the main tank and hold it there for about 15 seconds and I am done.
NOTE:
As a rule, I usually just set the coral where I want it at first to make sure it will be happy there if I can. I don't glue it in place until I am sure of placement.
Was simply pointing out to the OP, that if s/he followed the procedure s/he described to be sure and get the glued frag back in water ASAP - some people try to glue multiple frags onto plugs out of water all at the same time, which can result in corals being "burnt" by sitting too long out of water.
Your method, gluing in water, doesn't allow much chance of that. The method s/he described does.

 

[chrisnif]

So Flower,
You're saying put the glue on the coral, then apply to the rock in the tank while the rock is underwater? I just made the assumption that both surfaces (rock and underside of the coral) had the be at least semi-dry for the glue to stick.
Also, which epoxy is safe for me to use to entomb some tube hydroids? I'm sure I cant just use good ole JB-weld
Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3185323

I am not sure what you mean by too long out of the water.

I just take the frag, turn it upside down to expose the small rock it is attached to, leaving the coral in the water as much as possible.
Coral in one hand, I dab it with a paper towel...then I glob the glue on about the size of a quarter, or nickle depending on the rock, heap it up. Within seconds I put the frag where I want it in the main tank and hold it there for about 15 seconds and I am done.
NOTE:
As a rule, I usually just set the coral where I want it at first to make sure it will be happy there if I can. I don't glue it in place until I am sure of placement.

 

[cranberry]

I left a frag of zoas out of water by mistake for over an hour.... they survived. Were they happy?... definitely not. Are they alive today?...

I take mine out of the water. We have a lot of frag seminars. To make frags, we sit there with a big ole coral and run them under a saw. That takes time and air exposure is never a concern for most standard frags.

 

[scopus tang]

Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3185604
I left a frag of zoas out of water by mistake for over an hour.... they survived. Were they happy?... definitely not. Are they alive today?...

I take mine out of the water. We have a lot of frag seminars. To make frags, we sit there with a big ole coral and run them under a saw. That takes time and air exposure is never a concern for most standard frags.
Absolutely - my point again, was when they are sitting in fresh superglue gel; then they need to be returned to water or dipped ASAP. I have seen a number of freshly made zoa frags melt because they were left undipped after being glued.
Originally Posted by Chrisnif
http:///forum/post/3185602
So Flower,
You're saying put the glue on the coral, then apply to the rock in the tank while the rock is underwater? I just made the assumption that both surfaces (rock and underside of the coral) had the be at least semi-dry for the glue to stick.
Also, which epoxy is safe for me to use to entomb some tube hydroids? I'm sure I cant just use good ole JB-weld
Corals can be glued with either method - I personally have the best luck gluing smaller frags out of water - larger frags or those I wish to permanently attach to the rockwork, I attach in the tank.
There is marine safe epoxy and epoxys designed specifically for aquarium use, usually available at your LFS or various on-line retailers (typically found under fragging supplies)

 

[jstdv8]

Im interested in the same question.... Is the rock thats you are frying to attach the plug or small rock with the frag on it able to stay in the water the whole time?
Im assuming you can otherwise it would be a nightmare to put a new coral in an established reef as you'd have to take down the whole tank to put a frag on a lower rock.
I guess I just answered my own question

 

[scopus tang]

Originally Posted by Jstdv8
http:///forum/post/3191325
Im interested in the same question.... Is the rock thats you are frying to attach the plug or small rock with the frag on it able to stay in the water the whole time?
Im assuming you can otherwise it would be a nightmare to put a new coral in an established reef as you'd have to take down the whole tank to put a frag on a lower rock.
I guess I just answered my own question
You can, although I generally find as was stated earlier in the thread, that it typically takes 2 or 3 applications of the glue to actually get it to stick. Helps if you push the frag against the rock, hold it for a few seconds, then give it a slight twist to safely secure the frag in place.