Quick question...

ajclarke00

New Member
I have had a 12 gal nano for about a week now. I had very little knowledge going into this and SWF.com has been a life saver, actually close to a life saver as I already lost one clown and appear to be losing an anemone.
Anyway, I bought my wife a 12 gal tank, 2 true clowns, and a long tentacled anemone, 4lbs live rock, about 6 hermits, 2 snails, and 10-12 lbs live sand. I bring the thing home and the LFS employee tells me that the tank needs to run until it is clear and then it is fish safe... So I let it run after set up for about 22 hours before I run off to pick up the fish. I bought live sand and put in the tank, but forgot to put in the activator bacteria stuff (this will come in later).
Anyway, I float the fish and anemone for about an hour, then I cut the corners of the bag off the clowns to get the water to mix. I take the anemone right out and throw it in after an hour.
The fish seem to do OK at first, and immediately take to the anemone. Things are good for about an hour and then the two clowns start fighting for dominance. I thought they were trying to kill each other, but after reading up on SWF.com I learned that this was normal. 2 days later one clown is dead. Not beat up or anything, just kinda swam to a corner and died a peaceful death. I call the LFS and explain that they sold me a bad fish and needed to replace it. They asked if I let the tank cycle, and I promptly told them that I did and the water was nice and clear before I put the fish in. They asked me to bring in a water sample to test. Obviously by this point I had no idea what cycle meant.
So I brought in the sample, they tested it and asked if anything was still alive. The anemone and the other clown were doing great according to my wife. The water was way off the charts for everything bad, Amonia, Nitrites, Nitrates, and Ph. I told them what the other employee had told me to do (which also included telling me that all I had to do was float the fish for 15 minutes before throwing them in). We put a plan together to basically save my remaining clown and anemone by doing a 100% water change over the course of 4 days with their cycled water from the tanks they have set up there. The owner is now involved and I haven't seen the retard that gave me the terrible advice in the first place.
So I have completed the 100% water change, but they also said that I needed to get the tanks biofilter going by putting in the bacteria. They sold me some stabilizer bacteria to put in. They suggested that I pour one cap full into the bioball area everyday until the bottle was gone. The first time I poured the stuff in my anemone, who was very open and happy, immediately uproots and starts trying to float around my tank. Spinning around for hours not taking root anywhere. I tried to set him up and he would just float away. Anyway, day 2 the anemone seemed to find a resting spot, albeit sideways laying on a rock, but he seemed healthy enough with full tentacles and good color. So I put cap full number two in and he puffs up and starts spinning around my tank again. Wide open and mouth open just spinning and floating. So all day he was doing this, it almost seemed like it was trying to attack the water jet tube at one point.
So anyway, after a day of spinning around, and me waiting for the email to activate my SWF.com account, I reach in and go to move it to a relatively sheltered part of the tank (clownfish tries to attack me with a tail slap and a nibble). It's tentacles are still sticky, but it has shriveled up to 1/4 of it normal size, and his since turned upside down. So here is the not so quick question, even though the LFS owner and the bottle say that the bacteria does not hurt the fish, should I keep using it? If not, how should I get the bacteria going without hurting the livestock?

Any help is appreciated, I realize now that the title to this question may have been deceiving, sorry about that. Please help as I am not sure what to do, poor little Tangelina is just swimming there back and forth looking at her home that has since closed up shop. Thanks again.
 

morval

Member
wow your LFS sounds really horible. first ur tank did not cycle it has nuthing to do with if the water is clear. a cycle is the build up of nitrifing bacteria the will break down amonia-nitrites-nitrates this process usually takes around a month. durring this period you should not introduce any living things. i cant believe a store would sell u a tank and fish and anemone withen a few days. depending on ur lights u may not even be able to support an anemone at all. u should try to get a refund for ur livestock and just wait out the cycle and start fresh when its done. sorry to hear about u deaths but the way this store has lead you many more are sure to come. maybe theres another LFS near you you can check out.
to answer your question the bottle of bacteria will not help you that much its not worth the money, donno if it hurts anemones
 

lexluethar

Active Member
Wow horrible times at your LFS huh? My suggestion would be to start over, get any and all of your money back from the owner. Give back the tank, livestock, anything.
Read up for about two weeks on SWF hobby and really find out what you want and understand the cycling process, anemone lighting, type of fish, tank size, etc. THEN and only then go to another LFS and purchase a tank and new setup. Set everything up MINUS any living things, and cycle the tank with either LR or shrimp (dead).
As it stands right now i'm sure all your measurements are off the charts, you are going to spend more time and money doing all these water changes and trying to even out your water parameters - cut your loses, return the items and start over. See the problem with 100% water changes is... well it is a temporary fix. Yes you are taking the ammonia, nitrite, and nitrates out of your tank through water, but water doesn't cause these readings to be high. Decaying / dead things do. So more than likely there is dieoff on your LR which is causing your spikes in water parameters. Problem is if you continue to do water changes your cycle won't complete and you will continually have high AM,NI,NA, if you don't do the water changes everything in the tank will die.
My vote is save the money and headache and start over. You will begin to hate this hobby if you start out the way you've already started out.
 

ajclarke00

New Member
Thanks for the responses, I am posting a pick of the anemone. I have since moved the anemone to my quarantine bucket that I put the water that did not have the bacteria in it. Higher nitrites and trates though.
He doesn't look so good, and I read up a little on how to tell if he is dying. His tentacles are still sticky, and his foot still has a lot color. His foot does have a small white spot that I don't think was there before. I attached a pic for you to see if he looks healthy.
I would send everything back, but I got the "paying cash and skipping the register" discount and I doubt they will take it back. There is another fish store that is actually closer, and quite a bit more expensive, but I will check them out for all my future fish needs.
 

ajclarke00

New Member
Well, I think I figured out the problem. The pump keeps turning on and off. That, according to SWF.com, means that the seal is broken and electricity and water are mixing. I guess that is why my anemone looks dead, I am sure the clown won't be to far behind it.
I'm taking Lex's advice and taking this thing back for at least a replacement. What a mess, this was a birthday present for the wife, looks like I am in the dog house...
 

lexluethar

Active Member
Do not replace everything. Cycle your tank prior to adding ANYTHING, fish, snails, hermits, anemones - anything. Your tank needs to cycle prior to adding anything but salt, water, rocks, and sand.
If it is affordable, I would also upgrade the size of your tank. The smaller the tank you get the more fluctuation there is in your water parameters. And with things like anemones, corals, and some fish water parameters should be consistent. I would aim for close to 30 gallons if it is in your budget. If not, i understand, just letting you know the smaller the tank, the more difficult it is to keep.
 

ajclarke00

New Member
Just out of curiosity, if I find a way of getting the pump out of the tank to work on it, can I use regular store brand caulking to reseal it? Any experience or info will help. Also, there should be a section titled "Broke Hobbiest Tips and Tricks", but that would probably encourage people to make aquariums out of milk bottles or something crazy.
PS- My anemone (back in the regular tank) looks like a very tiny sea apple right now. Still has all its color, but just doesn't seem very happy. I am making atrip to the LFS store to have a few choice words with the owners.
 

lexluethar

Active Member
I think the only section close to that would be the lighting/DIY section.
I really hope you are taking your livestock back to the store, or giving it to a friend with a more established tank. IMO they are going to die otherwise.
Have you decided if you are going to start over or try to recover your tank?
 

ajclarke00

New Member
I appreciate your help Lex, and you too Morval, I spoke to the owner today about how ridiculous the whole situation has been. I woke up this morning to find pieces of my anemone floating around the tank. That was fun trying to fish out... Anyway, the owner gave me a salt water master test kit to test the levels, he also said that I could bring the last remaining clown back in to the store and when the water had cycled, he would give me a new one. He really seems to be trying to make it right, so I think I will stick with this store. He said that we would work something out on the livestock as soon as the tank was ready. Anyway, that is the update, I will keep you guys informed, I am sure, with the many questions I will be asking. Thanks again.
 
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