Refractometer, a must?

stupid_naso

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I'm just wondering whether hyposalinity must be accompanied by a refractometer. It's a very expensive thing. I asked my LFS and they said it's around $100 or even more. Is there any other salinity measurer that's better than the plastic hydrometer one but can be used during hyposalinity?
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beth

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Refractometer or a salinity monitor is what you need for the best accuracy. Both are expensive, however, you can find them much cheaper if you purchase at online stores.
 

seaguru

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Best price I found was at <a href="http://www.***************.com" target="_blank">www.***************.com</a> for $70. I strongly recommend it if you plan to do hypo. If you do a search and read the topic of "hyposalinity" by h20ski you will enrich your knowledge substantially. There are many threads but the most info is by Terry B. and Trey so skip to those comments to get thru a little quicker. Bottom line is that if you accidentally keep the fish below say 1.008 or 1.007 I believe this is the point where their internal systems will not function right long term. I am not an expert on the terminology but Terry B.'s posts talk about it... the fish osmo...something. It has to do with how their systems convert salt h2o to fresh. Anyway I would not chance doing hypo with an inaccurate measure of SG. Just my .02 worth. Joe.
 

seaguru

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Just got my unit in from <a href="http://www.***************.com" target="_blank">www.***************.com</a> and it is awesome! Well made and easy to use. It reads instantly and directly in two scales: specific gravity or ppt.
Just a note for all who think $70 is a lot to spend... if you are in this hobby and have done things right you have probably spent a good deal already on say wet/dry, live rock, RO unit, UV sterilizer, shall I go on! AND not to mention what you have invested in your fish... so if you plan to use hyposalinity, do it right and get a refractometer as I did, you will not regret it! Again just my .02 worth... Joe.
Oh and one more thing, if you were not using hypo chances are you would be considering medications which if used right could run some $$$ also. And some such as copper require test kits. So no matter how you slice it you will end up spending a bit... better to do it right and not loose fish.
 

stupid_naso

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seaguru, what about keeping a ten gal tank which has only one $15 fish? Buying a $70 refractometer is a lot for one fish, don't you think?
I want to buy it, but it's too much. With only $40 more, I can get a really good lighting for my tank. Even that, I'm still thinking about.
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seaguru

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Just thought I would re-post this under this topic...
Suggest you read the post on hypo by h2oski to learn a lot and read the post on refractometers, lots of good info. If you did not use a refractometer during your hypo there is no assurance you were at the 1.009 the whole time! Unfortunately the recent craze about using hypo has lead many to believe it is easy. (it is, only if you have the right equipment!) I am currently preparing to use hypo in my Q setup, but have read for hours and purchased the right equipment.
Just to illustrate the hydrometer issue... I have used an AqSystems SeaTest swing arm hydrometer for years but it only went down to 1.017. So when I decieded I would try this hyposalinity thing I just went and spent (wasted) $10 on another SeaTest swing-arm, but the current models went down to 1.001 and had dual scales SG/ppt. Thought I was doing good but noticed a .004 difference in readings from my old/new ones. Not satisfied I did more research and spent $35 on the German made Areometer type hydrometer. Was impressed with the few reviews... well it measured even further off from the other two! So which reading was correct??? So after forking out/wasting $45 I finally decided the only way was to spend $70 on a refractometer! (which I tried to avoid from the start).
Well that was the best spent $70 I have ever spent! The refractometer gives instant direct readings and is simple/easy to use, is well made, and is most of all RELIABLE. THE READING IS WITHOUT A DOUBT CORRECT!!! So now I am ready to try hypo... Oh and one more thing, I also have a pH alkalinity buffer by Kent Marine to buffer the water while at 1.009 because it is harder to maintain steady 8.0-8.4 pH at lower salinity. The last item to complete the hyposalinity kit is a pH test kit to monitor the pH along with the salinity. So yes hypo can be easy if you have the right stuff, otherwise it is debatable if you achieved true hyposalinity and kept your water parameters high/correct for the health of your fish... Just offering my experience for the record. Regards, Joe. <img src="graemlins//yell.gif" border="0" alt="[yell]" />
 

stupid_naso

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seaguru, I'm not questioning the reliability of refractometer. I believe it is the best thing for salinity. I also agree with all the arguments that you made. All I am saying is, if you have a 100+ gal and have more than $100 worth of fish, then refractometer is a very very good investment. However, I just have one fish, which is not even half the worth of the refractometer. I'm not saying I don't care about this fish, I'm just looking for the best alternative there is out there. That's all :) .
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beth

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Well, let me give you a bit exp insights when it comes to purchasing hobby equiptment [I've been in the fish hobby for over 20 yrs]. If you plan on being in the hobby for any length of time, and most do plan on staying with it else they wouldn't go thru the expense to begin with, then you will be upgrading your system. I can assure you that if you are in the hobby 2 yrs from now, you would have gotten a larger tank by then, or you will be adding additional tanks. Thus, the way to look at equiptment ALWAYs, is as a long term investment that pays in the long run. Get the best that you can afford...even if the expense does not seem justified at the moment. Down the line, the better equiptment will pay for itself with the use you get out of it where the cheaper stuff will just be ditched once you realize that you want and need to do better then just get by.
That said, if you can not afford the $70 then you should get a good quality hydrometer. The kind that has a tube that you put tank water in, and then float the hydrometer in the tube. You must find one that will read lower salinity readings if you are going to use it for hyposalinity. Many hydrometers do not do this.
 

stupid_naso

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Thanks Beth for the insight, in fact I have seen the other hydrometer, the tube one, in my LFS. I understand what you said, and yes if I upgrade my tank, then refractometer will be the first on my list.
Thanks again,
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