RO/DI waste ??

posiden

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So I thought about it, I just got my first Ro/DI unit. I would like to hook it up in the garage. Here is my questions.
Does the temp really make a difference in how the unit performs?
I am on a septic so, I wonder about all the waste going into my tank? I don't want a mushy spot in the yard either.
I was told by the guy that sold it to me that.....the waste water is no different then the input water. I just dont see this as true. Anybody?
The garage is the eaisest with the Y adapter deal. Lots of room to mount it too. I am just unsure of the temp thing.
Any thoughts would be great.
 

rigdon87

Member
Originally Posted by Posiden
http:///forum/post/3160421
So I thought about it, I just got my first Ro/DI unit. I would like to hook it up in the garage. Here is my questions.
Does the temp really make a difference in how the unit performs?
I am on a septic so, I wonder about all the waste going into my tank? I don't want a mushy spot in the yard either.
I was told by the guy that sold it to me that.....the waste water is no different then the input water. I just dont see this as true. Anybody?
The garage is the eaisest with the Y adapter deal. Lots of room to mount it too. I am just unsure of the temp thing.
Any thoughts would be great.
Yes the temp is important so be sure you plumb it into the cold water.if the water temp is to high you will drasticly shortin the life of your membrane.But the warmer the water the more gph your unit can produce.I am also on a septic and have the waste plumbed into the drain with no ill effects
 

posiden

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Originally Posted by Rigdon87
http:///forum/post/3160429
Yes the temp is important so be sure you plumb it into the cold water.if the water temp is to high you will drasticly shortin the life of your membrane.But the warmer the water the more gph your unit can produce.I am also on a septic and have the waste plumbed into the drain with no ill effects

Yea, I knew to tap the cold water supply line. I was in reference to the ambient air around the unit itself. Winter is comming. I don't think it will get cold enought to freeze anything. Nothing has ever froze out there before. I think I read in the manual that it should not get below 40 degrees F.
Good to know on the drain. I know you make more water then me. How long have you been running your RO/DI unit?
 

rigdon87

Member
Originally Posted by Posiden
http:///forum/post/3160440
Good to know on the drain. I know you make more water then me. How long have you been running your RO/DI unit?
Iv'e been runnin mine for about 6-7months.i chang 30g of water every two weeks so thats 60gallons a month + 2-3g of top off every day and nothins happend with the septic system yet,so you should have nothing to worry about
 

aquaknight

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If anything, the 'waste water' is actually cleaner then the input water as it's gone through the prefilters (sediment, carbon) before getting rejected by the RO.
Not the faintness on septics, never dealt with them.
Extremely cold water, can really slow the production rate down to a literal crawl. A tip from melev, replace the input line to the unit with much longer 25'-50' line. Coil that line up in a 5gal bucket. Fill the bucket with water and add an extra heater. Crank the hell out of the heater (actually,
keep an eye on it and adjust), and the water should be warm by the time it reaches your unit.
 

posiden

Active Member
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3160482
If anything, the 'waste water' is actually cleaner then the input water as it's gone through the prefilters (sediment, carbon) before getting rejected by the RO.
Not the faintness on septics, never dealt with them.
Extremely cold water, can really slow the production rate down to a literal crawl. A tip from melev, replace the input line to the unit with much longer 25'-50' line. Coil that line up in a 5gal bucket. Fill the bucket with water and add an extra heater. Crank the hell out of the heater (actually,
keep an eye on it and adjust), and the water should be warm by the time it reaches your unit.
Nice tip on the input line. Thanks.
I never thought about the waste as being more clean then when it enters. I guess I just figured it would have all the excess "salts" with it. Making it more undesireable.
 

scsinet

Active Member
I operate mine in a garage that gets down to about 40 degrees, and have never noticed a slowdown in production. That's not to say it's not happen, it just hasn't been drastic enough to be a problem.
 

posiden

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Originally Posted by SCSInet
http:///forum/post/3160549
I operate mine in a garage that gets down to about 40 degrees, and have never noticed a slowdown in production. That's not to say it's not happen, it just hasn't been drastic enough to be a problem.

If I had to guess I would figure that is about how cold mine will get down too. I will keep an eye on it this yaer since I now have a reason too.
What do you think about the waste water being a bit better then the input water? As long as I am not back flushing the membraine, will the waste water not have any additional "salts" in it? I know I could check it with a TDS meter but, that is the one item I still have to get. Money is a bit tight for the next couple of weeks. I would like to use my waste water as much as possible.
 

scsinet

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I've never really given it much thought. I suppose in theory it could be.
On the one hand, you've got the fact that the water has passed through the sediment prefilter(s) and carbon, but on the other, you've got the fact that it contains whatever the RO membrane rejects.
A different way of answering it is that it's probably no worse than the water that goes in, since everything that comes out of an RO unit as waste came in with the water you'd be using unfiltered anyway.
Personally, I prefer to just run the waste line outside and collect it for watering. I mean... what else are you gonna do with it? Schemes to collect the waste water and repressurize it for residential use are going to be more expensive than letting it go down the drain.
I wouldn't bother testing it with a TDS meter. To me, a TDS meter is kind of a pass/fail test. The TDS of waste water is certainly not going to be 0... so really the reading is worthless.
 

posiden

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Originally Posted by SCSInet
http:///forum/post/3160784
I've never really given it much thought. I suppose in theory it could be.
On the one hand, you've got the fact that the water has passed through the sediment prefilter(s) and carbon, but on the other, you've got the fact that it contains whatever the RO membrane rejects.
A different way of answering it is that it's probably no worse than the water that goes in, since everything that comes out of an RO unit as waste came in with the water you'd be using unfiltered anyway.
Personally, I prefer to just run the waste line outside and collect it for watering. I mean... what else are you gonna do with it? Schemes to collect the waste water and repressurize it for residential use are going to be more expensive than letting it go down the drain.
I wouldn't bother testing it with a TDS meter. To me, a TDS meter is kind of a pass/fail test. The TDS of waste water is certainly not going to be 0... so really the reading is worthless.

Well the big thing I wanted to use if for, is my beer. If it is just as good if not a tad bit better then just right out of the tap, then I could use it to brew with. All I do know it run the tap water through a simple carbon filter which isn't doing anything really but it was cheap and makes me feel a little better about the water.
It sounds like it isn't worth the hassle. I will let it go I guess.
Oh and the TDS meter, I knew it wouldn't be zero. But if I knew what it was going in and what the reading is on the waste side. Then I would know if the RO membrain is holding onto what it isn't letting through or if that stuff was going right down the drain. I don't fully understand how the Ro membraine works. I would think it is like any other filter. If that is so, then the waste water shouldn't contain anything more then it did when it entered the unit. If the membraine rejects the stuff(like a rubber wall, bouncing off the bad things) then it would be more concentrated and really no good.
I bought a digital TDS meter today while at my favorite fish shop. I can't afford it be any means. I guess the cable bill will have to wait for a month.LOL. The highest reading on my tap water so far is 72. Not to bad.
Here is my meter I got. Is it at least a decent one?
http://www.tdsmeter.com/products/dm2.html
 

scsinet

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RO membranes are, as the name implies, nothing more than a semi-permeable membrane. Water is placed against one side of the membrane under pressure. The membrane will only pass pure water though, almost all solid matter in the water will not pass through.
A good comparison is a latex balloon. Latex is a semi-permeable material. Helium is less dense than air, which is why a latex balloon filled with helium "deflates" over a period of days, while an air filled balloon deflates slowly, because larger Oxygen, Co2, and Nitrogen molecules in a ballon filled with regular air escape more slowly or not at all.
By reading that, you'd think that the membrane would clog very quickly. Quite right, except on the "input" side of the membrane, there is also a waste output that is limited in flow by a restrictor. This keeps the pressure up, yet allows for some water movement on that side of the membrane. The particles that do not pass through the membrane find their way out in the reject water.
So basically, the waste water consists of input water, PLUS all of the crap that the filter wouldn't pass.
In a theoretical example... say the water going into the membrane (source water) has a TDS of 200. In our example, the membrane produces on a 3:1 ratio, so for every 4 gallons of water that goes in, one gallon of pure water (product water) is produced, and 3 gallons of rejected water (waste water) is produced. The output water has a TDS of 20.
So, you have a 90% efficient membrane. In our example, 1 gallon of water has had "180 of it's solids" removed. This means that the waste water will contain that 180, PLUS whatever it had to begin with, since the waste water does not get filtered. Since it's diluted into 3 gallons, take that 180, divide by 3, and add that to the TDS of the source water. Ergo the waste water TDS will be 260.
Of course this is just an example, the actual product/waste ratios, input and output TDS, etc will all vary according to pressure, the quality of the source water, and the operational efficiency/state of the membrane.
The inline TDS meters are great, but to be honest, I prefer the handheld units. In my case I operate a tank in my office at work as well as home, and I have an RODI unit for each, so I can carry it from place to place, and I always worry that the inline meters are not accurate, and it's difficult to test them against a known source to verify their accuracy. I paid $20 for my meter.
 
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