sand sifting star fish????

ferry_007

Member
Ive read that sand sifting star fish can completely kill all the good stuff in sand bed.But ive also read that if you have an aquarium big enought with a good sand bed than it is possible to keep a sand sifting star fish,becuse the life in the sand bed gets replenished due to the size of the aquarium and amount of sand.Does anybody have any thoughts on this?
 
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essop3

Guest
quote from Bang that kept me from getting one...
In the wild reef these predators are scarce compared to our aquariums. You would be hard pressed to find sand sifters within 10 - 20 feet of each other. Sticking one in a 4 or 6 by 2 foot aquarium is just begging for a dead sand bed. My refugium has an 8 by 8 foot DSB and I have no doubt it could be cleaned out by a single sand sifting star."
 

reefymark

Member
bangguy also has a good way of turning people agaisnt a subject he doesnt agree w/ also. i wouldnt believe everything he says....
 

dansdoll

New Member
i had a sand sifting star and he lived for a very long time in my 29 gallon, but one day i noticed his legs were starting to vanish then i found that at night my urchin was munching on his arms. a few weeks ago while i was looking at my tank i noticed that he hadnt moved and sure enough he was dead.
 

duke13

Member
IMO, I would suggest a well established tank with a minimum size of 55 gal to be efficient enough for a sand sifting star.
3-5 inches of sand would also be good.
 

wwfstyle

Member
I have a 75 and also a sand sifter star. I would also recommend that you wait awhile before adding it to your tank so that you could get more life in your DSB. I'm in the process of getting rid of my CC and LS (50/50) and going with just sand. I will be tradeing my star and most likely wont get one again.
 

ajroc31

Member
Maybe I am wrong, but I have never heard of the sand-sifting starfish killing the sandbed. I have two of them in my 125 and they are doing fine. The look healthy and never crawl on the rocks which is an indication that they might be starving. I would suggest that you wait a bit to introduce one to the tank to make surt that there is enough waste in it for it to feed on. Once in a great while I feed them with shrimp, maybe you can try that.
 

ferry_007

Member
Good advise like always...ive opted to wait a while...to get one..or maybe not even get one.but thanks for all the help!
 

scoobydoo

Active Member
How do you know if you have enough pods? If not, how do you get more? How do you know if your sand bed is dead?
 

ophiura

Active Member
Sand sifting stars feed on various critters considered "good" for a deep sand bed. They can, and will, clean a sand bed of many of these animals, perhaps except a coupla inch area near the glass that they might not be able to get to.
They die in a very characteristic manner, by disintegration. They may start just at the arm tips, then large pieces like entire arms may go. At this point, they may be eaten by various other creatures. But until this point, they may look fine and may never move onto the rocks regardless of starvation or not. They take months to slowly starve, by digesting their internal organs, until there really isn't any way to salvage them. It typically occurs 9-12 months after introduction. But seems sudden to the hobbyists.
Many, if not the majority of these stars in tanks under 100g will almost certainly die within that 9-12 month period. People may think they died for other reasons...that it is their normal life span, that something ate them, etc. But it is not normal at all.
Most serious experts on DSB do not recommend sand sifting stars because they eat the microfauna that people are trying to cultivate (to get the whole sand bed to work well).
Some, but not all, may be attracted to meaty foods...or perhaps the things that are eating it. Personalities vary. What does confuse me is that if they are detritus feeders as many argue, why do so few people have long term success with them in smaller tanks? Increased survival definitely seems correlated with increase and tank size and thus increase in surface area of sand which doesn't seem to agree with the detritus argument (there can be a lot in small tanks). :notsure:
 

wwfstyle

Member
you want more pods? Ask your LFS and see if they will add a small tube with some type of clothe or filter in it. Wait a few days and you should have a few of them. You also should have a fuge tank so that they can multiply in there and slowly shoot into your display tank.
 

wwfstyle

Member
PVC pipe with........ um dont remember what they are actually called but that this almost see through filter that alot of people use in there wet/dry. Pods like to hide in there and will eventually multiply in that filter clothe in the pvc pipe.
 

nero

Member
ive seen live pods for sale on ----... the people that have previously purchase them said that the seller is legite. would this be a good way to get a bunch of pods to start a pod colony? i mean, would they survive in a tank that doesnt already have pods?
 
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essop3

Guest
I bought one of the expensive detrivore kits from there and thought it was great. Its alot cheaper to get some good "wild collected" live sand. You will probably get all you need. I wanted to get all the macros and to be extra sure to get all the right pods and worms.
They will survive fine in a newly cycled tank. Be sure to give them time to multiply before adding predators.
 
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