deejeff442
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can i eliminate a skimmer with my scrubber?i am planning more sps and wasnt sure if i still need to add a skimmer with the scrubber.
scrubber= no skimmer?
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flower
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Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///forum/thread/382670/scrubber-no-skimmer#post_3341264
can i eliminate a skimmer with my scrubber?i am planning more sps and wasnt sure if i still need to add a skimmer with the scrubber.
I have never had a scrubber, I'm not handy or I would...
Seach and read this thread....Mega-Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover Replaces Skimmer, Refugium, and Everything Else
Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///forum/thread/382670/scrubber-no-skimmer#post_3341264
can i eliminate a skimmer with my scrubber?i am planning more sps and wasnt sure if i still need to add a skimmer with the scrubber.
I have never had a scrubber, I'm not handy or I would...
Seach and read this thread....Mega-Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover Replaces Skimmer, Refugium, and Everything Else
deejeff442
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hey flower,i read through that posting a couple times.i know it inspired a few people here including me to build one.it was really easy and cost about $20.i already had a pump.i am just wondering if it was true that it replaces a skimmer.i googled and read some articles that indeed it does replace the skimmer and found that a scrubber also add alot of other benefits.
so i was thinking i could actually add a second screen since i have the room and the pump is plenty big enough.all i need is some pvc and another light.then i could scrape the screens in opposite times like one week one screen then the other the next week.well something to think about.might be overkill i dont know?but i like the idea of saving $400 on a skimmer.
so i was thinking i could actually add a second screen since i have the room and the pump is plenty big enough.all i need is some pvc and another light.then i could scrape the screens in opposite times like one week one screen then the other the next week.well something to think about.might be overkill i dont know?but i like the idea of saving $400 on a skimmer.
flower
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Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///forum/thread/382670/scrubber-no-skimmer#post_3341271
hey flower,i read through that posting a couple times.i know it inspired a few people here including me to build one.it was really easy and cost about $20.i already had a pump.i am just wondering if it was true that it replaces a skimmer.i googled and read some articles that indeed it does replace the skimmer and found that a scrubber also add alot of other benefits.
so i was thinking i could actually add a second screen since i have the room and the pump is plenty big enough.all i need is some pvc and another light.then i could scrape the screens in opposite times like one week one screen then the other the next week.well something to think about.might be overkill i dont know?but i like the idea of saving $400 on a skimmer.
Doing another scrubber will not help...in fact you would just be making more work for yourself. The scrubber must be cleaned each week, so you can't leave one and clean the other..all you will do is land up cleaning two scrubbers or both at different times in the week.
Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///forum/thread/382670/scrubber-no-skimmer#post_3341271
hey flower,i read through that posting a couple times.i know it inspired a few people here including me to build one.it was really easy and cost about $20.i already had a pump.i am just wondering if it was true that it replaces a skimmer.i googled and read some articles that indeed it does replace the skimmer and found that a scrubber also add alot of other benefits.
so i was thinking i could actually add a second screen since i have the room and the pump is plenty big enough.all i need is some pvc and another light.then i could scrape the screens in opposite times like one week one screen then the other the next week.well something to think about.might be overkill i dont know?but i like the idea of saving $400 on a skimmer.
Doing another scrubber will not help...in fact you would just be making more work for yourself. The scrubber must be cleaned each week, so you can't leave one and clean the other..all you will do is land up cleaning two scrubbers or both at different times in the week.
deejeff442
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gottcha,i am curious how some algae on a screen will replace a skimmer.i made it so i can easily take it off the sump.just have to pull the water line off the fixture and thats it.simple.well guess i just sit back and watch the green grow.
deejeff442
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interesting ,thanks.i have been trying to find the mega powerfull scrubber post in search but cant find it ?i have in the past found it but i dont know why i cant now?
if i dont need a skimmer i have alot of extra room in my sump now.wonder what i can do with the space?
if i dont need a skimmer i have alot of extra room in my sump now.wonder what i can do with the space?
flower
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Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///forum/thread/382670/scrubber-no-skimmer#post_3341284
interesting ,thanks.i have been trying to find the mega powerfull scrubber post in search but cant find it ?i have in the past found it but i dont know why i cant now?
if i dont need a skimmer i have alot of extra room in my sump now.wonder what i can do with the space?
The post is way back there because it's so old. What about a refugium in the extra space?
Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///forum/thread/382670/scrubber-no-skimmer#post_3341284
interesting ,thanks.i have been trying to find the mega powerfull scrubber post in search but cant find it ?i have in the past found it but i dont know why i cant now?
if i dont need a skimmer i have alot of extra room in my sump now.wonder what i can do with the space?
The post is way back there because it's so old. What about a refugium in the extra space?
deejeff442
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as for fuge what exactly is a fuge.as far as i have read its just sand/and rock.what else is in a fuge.i dont need macro because of the scrubber and i have 40+ lbs of rock rubble on the left section of the sump.i do have about 50 lbs of sand argonite in a bucket though.
flower
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Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///forum/thread/382670/scrubber-no-skimmer#post_3341299
as for fuge what exactly is a fuge.as far as i have read its just sand/and rock.what else is in a fuge.i dont need macro because of the scrubber and i have 40+ lbs of rock rubble on the left section of the sump.i do have about 50 lbs of sand argonite in a bucket though.
A refugium is a place where tiny critters like copepods, amphipods, isopods and such can populate undisturbed. If you have a critter in the tank that eats them (all fish do) they are not in a safe place to just populate. The sand and rock even macro algae are breeding places. They have the same thing in the main tanks but the fish deplete the population. By having a refugium they repopulate the tank as they are eaten so that a fish like the mandarin has a steady supply of food.
The sand in the refugium helps take away nitrates. The same happens in the main tank unless you have a sandsifter…again the sandsifter may deplete the sand and disturb it in the main tank, but the refugium remains untouched to do its job.
So if you stock the refugium the same way you stock your tank, you simply have two tanks up and running. There is no refuge for the tiny critters. So it isn't just some sand and rock and sometimes macroalgae. You do not have to have macroalgae in the refugium.
You have allot of rock and that’s really good filtration and I bet there are plenty of little critters in there too. So you really don’t NEED a refugium..it was just a suggestion.
Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///forum/thread/382670/scrubber-no-skimmer#post_3341299
as for fuge what exactly is a fuge.as far as i have read its just sand/and rock.what else is in a fuge.i dont need macro because of the scrubber and i have 40+ lbs of rock rubble on the left section of the sump.i do have about 50 lbs of sand argonite in a bucket though.
A refugium is a place where tiny critters like copepods, amphipods, isopods and such can populate undisturbed. If you have a critter in the tank that eats them (all fish do) they are not in a safe place to just populate. The sand and rock even macro algae are breeding places. They have the same thing in the main tanks but the fish deplete the population. By having a refugium they repopulate the tank as they are eaten so that a fish like the mandarin has a steady supply of food.
The sand in the refugium helps take away nitrates. The same happens in the main tank unless you have a sandsifter…again the sandsifter may deplete the sand and disturb it in the main tank, but the refugium remains untouched to do its job.
So if you stock the refugium the same way you stock your tank, you simply have two tanks up and running. There is no refuge for the tiny critters. So it isn't just some sand and rock and sometimes macroalgae. You do not have to have macroalgae in the refugium.
You have allot of rock and that’s really good filtration and I bet there are plenty of little critters in there too. So you really don’t NEED a refugium..it was just a suggestion.
deejeff442
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i follow you.i really havent been interested in a fuge section.if you can see in the pic i have alot of rubble stacked up.i guess you could call that a fuge?
there is alot of pods in my dt with this set up.before i had this sump i had a 30 long with just the rock,pump and heater for the dt.it also held alot of pods.i havent gotten around to getting my mandarin yet.there is something weird going on in my dt since i started the new sump.i have 4 pretty big torch corals.i noticed a few hours ago they have shrunk down and now look like they are pealing some white stuff off of them.i have another torch different color he looks fine and probably 20 other corals and they look fine.wondering whats going on with these 4 torch corals?
there is alot of pods in my dt with this set up.before i had this sump i had a 30 long with just the rock,pump and heater for the dt.it also held alot of pods.i havent gotten around to getting my mandarin yet.there is something weird going on in my dt since i started the new sump.i have 4 pretty big torch corals.i noticed a few hours ago they have shrunk down and now look like they are pealing some white stuff off of them.i have another torch different color he looks fine and probably 20 other corals and they look fine.wondering whats going on with these 4 torch corals?
flower
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Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///forum/thread/382670/scrubber-no-skimmer#post_3341302
i follow you.i really havent been interested in a fuge section.if you can see in the pic i have alot of rubble stacked up.i guess you could call that a fuge?
there is alot of pods in my dt with this set up.before i had this sump i had a 30 long with just the rock,pump and heater for the dt.it also held alot of pods.i havent gotten around to getting my mandarin yet.there is something weird going on in my dt since i started the new sump.i have 4 pretty big torch corals.i noticed a few hours ago they have shrunk down and now look like they are pealing some white stuff off of them.i have another torch different color he looks fine and probably 20 other corals and they look fine.wondering whats going on with these 4 torch corals?
I am no expert but try running some carbon..It sounds like a chemical war to me. Coral shoots out chemicals which follows the water current. The torch may just be in the right path to be blasted.
Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///forum/thread/382670/scrubber-no-skimmer#post_3341302
i follow you.i really havent been interested in a fuge section.if you can see in the pic i have alot of rubble stacked up.i guess you could call that a fuge?
there is alot of pods in my dt with this set up.before i had this sump i had a 30 long with just the rock,pump and heater for the dt.it also held alot of pods.i havent gotten around to getting my mandarin yet.there is something weird going on in my dt since i started the new sump.i have 4 pretty big torch corals.i noticed a few hours ago they have shrunk down and now look like they are pealing some white stuff off of them.i have another torch different color he looks fine and probably 20 other corals and they look fine.wondering whats going on with these 4 torch corals?
I am no expert but try running some carbon..It sounds like a chemical war to me. Coral shoots out chemicals which follows the water current. The torch may just be in the right path to be blasted.
deejeff442
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thats funny as soon as i saw that on the corals yesterday .i dug out my reactor i used to use for phosphate remover and i happen to have some carbon.set it up in there.the corals look alot better this morning.no more white stuff and are slowly coming out of their shell.seems when we have been doing this for so long we rarely have to go to the store to get something.i have like 3 totes of pumps and what ever else .i need to go through all that old stuff some day.
i would assume it will take a week or so to see some algae?
here was one of the corals yesterday .weird white fluffy stuff.all gone now though
i would assume it will take a week or so to see some algae?
here was one of the corals yesterday .weird white fluffy stuff.all gone now though
posiden
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Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///forum/thread/382670/scrubber-no-skimmer#post_3341264
can i eliminate a skimmer with my scrubber?i am planning more sps and wasnt sure if i still need to add a skimmer with the scrubber.
IMO, it depends on what type of a ecosystem you plan on having. Are you looking for those super bright colors? Or a more natural look.
Also, not sure if you found the thread or not.
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/forum/thread/330606/mega-powerful-nitrate-and-phosphate-remover-replaces-skimmer-refugium-everything
Edit;
Are you running phosphate remover now? If so, its gonna play heck on you trying to grow in a scrubber. The carbon is fine.
Originally Posted by deejeff442 http:///forum/thread/382670/scrubber-no-skimmer#post_3341264
can i eliminate a skimmer with my scrubber?i am planning more sps and wasnt sure if i still need to add a skimmer with the scrubber.
IMO, it depends on what type of a ecosystem you plan on having. Are you looking for those super bright colors? Or a more natural look.
Also, not sure if you found the thread or not.
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/forum/thread/330606/mega-powerful-nitrate-and-phosphate-remover-replaces-skimmer-refugium-everything
Edit;
Are you running phosphate remover now? If so, its gonna play heck on you trying to grow in a scrubber. The carbon is fine.
deejeff442
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no phosphate remover.i do plan on some more bright colored corals .mostly i want to add some brains and a couple clams probably derersa since i have never had clams.
i did find the post ,i googled it and found it on another site.i did read to only scrape one side every week.that was good to find because i would have scraped both sides.
i did find the post ,i googled it and found it on another site.i did read to only scrape one side every week.that was good to find because i would have scraped both sides.
ernestpolska
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yes your suppose to scrape one side because if you scrape both then your algae has to grow again and until it grows back the filter will be useless......how big is your tank ... that sheet looks kinda small i have a bigger one on my scrubber als i sanded the crap out of it so that the algae could stick better lols the sump looks good
deejeff442
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its a 250 dt.the algae screen is 15 by 8 inches.i was thinking of putting another next to it all i would need is another light ,screen and thats it .i already have enough pump gph and the pvc .but not sure if it will benefit?
ernestpolska
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im sorry i forgot that that was a 30 g tank ... it made it look small lols i use the same sheet ... i bought it in joan fabrics ... it was something for the dishes ......anyways its the same size i use the whole thing for my 10 g nano tank ..... since you have a turf scruuber ill ask this .....how to you keep your sheet on your pvc pipe ? i use zip tites but wenever i clean one side of the sheet i have to cut them in order to take it ou and clean it then i have to put on new zip tites.... just wanted to now what u did? lols and also srry for stealling your thread but i have a canister filter thats not being used... i was thinking of putting liverock into it but the walls are dark green and no light goes thrue(its an eheim 2213) will the beneficial bacteria grow without light ? thanks and srry
deejeff442
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i would just put base rock in the canister.it doesnt need light for the good bacteria.i remember a guy that had a 55 gallon drum filled to the top with rock.all sealed up he fed the dt water throught the top and came out the bottom.now thats alot of rock.my sump is 75 gallon.my old one was 30.i did the same as you just cut a slit in the pipe with a diamond blade,fed the screen into it and zip tied it.very simple set up in the middle i put a "t" and plumbed a fitting for the pump.if it replaces a skimmer thats a $400 savings .nice
ernestpolska
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yeah lols i have a cpr but dont use it since i dnt have a v enturi valve and dont have 29 for a new pump and valve lols and the tank runs just fine lols have to clowns watchman and flamefishh lols but i have the eheim running and the turf scrubber