sensible? or incredibly stupid? in tank mini DSB.

novahobbies

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I don't know if this is an idea that might work or not, so I could use some opinions here.
I'm rebuilding the aquascape on my seahorse tank in a few weeks. Seahorses are mobile poop factories, more so than pretty much any other fish this size, so my nitrates are always high. I was thinking of ways to reduce the trate concentration when this little idea hit me:
I was considering using a similar live-frame technique that I used on my 110g reef. Basically, it's hollow 2 or 3-inch pvc with rock attached. Rather than using the traditional plugs that live frames use, I thought "what if I capped the pipe, foamed the rock on it, and filled it with sand to the top?"
Sounds crazy, but here's my reasoning. If I seal the pipe and dremel narrow slits at the bottom for an effluent screen, then fill with sugar sand, cap the top and use a small powerhead attached to an affluent tube drilled into the top of the tube........theoretically I'd have tank water being forced slowly down through the sand layers in the pipe. As the water passed through, it would lose its O2, and the deeper sand will be an anearobic environment for the nitrate-munching bacteria. Water would pass out through the effluent screen over more live rock rubble (protecting the screen from oxygen-rich water as well) and the final product should be pretty well washed of nitrates.
So, is this pure stupidity, or what?? It's like a cross between a nitrate reactor and a DSB.....but all in the tank instead of plumbed from a sump. Should I cap the top off as well as the bottom? If I didn't cap the top, I don't know how I would "force" water down the sand pipe, but I'm worried that if I cap the pipe, I might have some unforseen buildup of gasses in the 'reactor.' Any thoughts or ideas would be helpful....I've done some internet research for this, and it seems like close to virgin territory. People have done DSBs and chemical-based nitrate reactors, but nothing like a hybrid that I know of. What do you think?
Oh, BTW, it's a 37g tank (20x18x24) that has a HOB Emperor 400 filter, Koralia p-head, and in-tank protein skimmer. I don't have the room (or the funds!!) to convert it to a HOB overflow into a sump, so that's out of the picture.
 
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shrimpy brains

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Ok, I have no idea
but subscribed to this thread as I am interested in the outcome and people's opinion on this. Hope you get some input from someone more knowledgeable.
 

snakeblitz33

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research Fluidized Sand Bed Filters
What you are doing is forcing water through a sand bed that has millions of bacteria which breaks down waste in an aerobic environment. It directly converts ammonia into nitrate. It does nothing to "detoxify" nitrate.
Nothing like macro algae, water changes, true deep sand beds, and good ole' tank maintenance.
 

novahobbies

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33
http:///forum/post/2939694
research Fluidized Sand Bed Filters
What you are doing is forcing water through a sand bed that has millions of bacteria which breaks down waste in an aerobic environment. It directly converts ammonia into nitrate. It does nothing to "detoxify" nitrate.
Nothing like macro algae, water changes, true deep sand beds, and good ole' tank maintenance.

OK, great, I get this. The question I have is this: WHY can't we create a contained DSB this way? I see the point with a fluidized sand filter; this has been around for years, but the rate that water is being pumped down through the layers is so high that the water can't lose its O2 as it passes through. What I'm talking about is a trickle compared to fluidized media filters...... somewhere on par with 1gph, possibly less. I looked at using a aqualifter to get the slow water flow.
I'm definitely leaning towards trying this. It might work, it might not, but it's definitely cheap to try. What I'm most concerned with is the production of secondary gasses in the tube: hydrogen sulfide, etc. Obviously in a controlled column, I wouldn't have to worry about the sand "bed" being disturbed and releasing these gasses, but maybe I should include a bleedoff valve at the top of the structure just in case.
 

snakeblitz33

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If you force water through the sand, regardless how slowly, you will have o2 in that water. Anaerobic bacteria will not build up, and you will end up with a really inefficiant fluidized bed filter.
If you want an internal deep sand bed, why don't you cap off the end of a 4" pvc tube and fill it with sand and have it go up all the way up to about 1" from the surface, and make sure water passes over it.
 
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