Separation of church and state?

stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2607994
They get attacked because they have allowed the christain coalition to gain to much control of their party...
That is not the argument put forth by left wing tattle tail groups.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Republicans get attacked because 80% of the media is Democrat. Trent Lott had to resign as Senate leader for saying someing nice about Strom Thurman on his 100th birthday but former Klansman Robert Byrdd can say

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on national television and nothing comes of it.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2607994
They get attacked because they have allowed the christain coalition to gain to much control of their party...
This is far more blatent than anything (other than Huckabee) that a republican has done. What is the point of this if not to insinuate the importance of and influence that christianity has on his life?
 
geridoc

geridoc

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I'm not sure what the concern is here. So what if Obama is a Christian with strongly held beliefs? The Constitution says nothing about that, only that the government cannot establish a state religion. I don't see where that translates into a requirement that the President be an atheist, agnostic or a Pastafarian for that matter. I am not Christian, but have no problem with my President holding strongly held religious beliefs, so long as he (or she) understands that they are personal beliefs, not to be confused with my beliefs or the government's lack of endorsement of any belief.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2608292
I'm not sure what the concern is here. So what if Obama is a Christian with strongly held beliefs? The Constitution says nothing about that, only that the government cannot establish a state religion. I don't see where that translates into a requirement that the President be an atheist, agnostic or a Pastafarian for that matter. I am not Christian, but have no problem with my President holding strongly held religious beliefs, so long as he (or she) understands that they are personal beliefs, not to be confused with my beliefs or the government's lack of endorsement of any belief.
I think maybe you missed the point. What you said is 100% right on the money but Bush and the Republicans in general have been attacked and mocked by many on the left for it.
 
pontius

pontius

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2608271
This is far more blatent than anything (other than Huckabee) that a republican has done. What is the point of this if not to insinuate the importance of and influence that christianity has on his life?
what did Huckabee (or Obama) do that was a "blatent" violation of the First Amendment?
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2608447
what did Huckabee (or Obama) do that was a "blatent" violation of the First Amendment?
Nothing, I just remember many republicans being lambasted for their religious beliefs. Remember the huckster and his christmas bookshelf cross? Bush and his praying every day. Where is the same "conviction" about obama?
 
pontius

pontius

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2608480
Nothing, I just remember many republicans being lambasted for their religious beliefs. Remember the huckster and his christmas bookshelf cross? Bush and his praying every day. Where is the same "conviction" about obama?
well, Obama got lambasted for his association with the good Rev, and that didn't work overly well in keeping him from getting the nomination (it would seem). we'll probably hear more about that in the general election. but the Republican party is generally seen as the party that religious people go to, so they probably aren't going to knock a Dem for his pronouncement of religion (just his particular preacher).
I think the "forward thinking" leftists like to make fun of religious people because they equate religion with ignorance and stupidity. it wouldn't make much sense for them to call their own leaders stupid and ignorant, so they just throw it all at Republicans.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2608510
well, Obama got lambasted for his association with the good Rev, and that didn't work overly well in keeping him from getting the nomination (it would seem). we'll probably hear more about that in the general election. but the Republican party is generally seen as the party that religious people go to, so they probably aren't going to knock a Dem for his pronouncement of religion (just his particular preacher).
I think the "forward thinking" leftists like to make fun of religious people because they equate religion with ignorance and stupidity. it wouldn't make much sense for them to call their own leaders stupid and ignorant, so they just throw it all at Republicans.
Simply pointing out some hypocracy.
Another irony in my mind is Obama willing to show how important his "spiritual" walk is. The only logical reason for this add is to insinuate the influence that his supposed christian beliefs will have on his leadership. Yet the positions and statements in church of Obama's pastor "who led Obama on his salvation experience" and his extreemist anti-american views, have had no affect on Obama. The disconnect these people have is mindboggling.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2608292
The Constitution says nothing about that, only that the government cannot establish a state religion.
There's a second part that many forget or outright ignore:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
So "outlawing" a Nativity scene, Manorah or crescent on public property is just as unconstitutional.
Heck the 8 of the 10 Commandments are really good rules to live by regardless of religion
Originally Posted by Jmick
"They get attacked because they have allowed the christain coalition to gain to much control of their party..."
Funny, those same evil Christians wrote the founding documents of this. country
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2608292
The Constitution says nothing about that, only that the government cannot establish a state religion.
There's a second part that many forget or outright ignore:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
So "outlawing" a Nativity scene, Manorah or crescent on public property is just as unconstitutional.
8 of the 10 Commandments are really good rules to live by regardless of religion
Originally Posted by Jmick
"They get attacked because they have allowed the christain coalition to gain to much control of their party..."
Funny, those same evil Christians wrote the founding documents of this. country
 
jmick

jmick

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2608900
There's a second part that many forget or outright ignore:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
So "outlawing" a Nativity scene, Manorah or crescent on public property is just as unconstitutional.
8 of the 10 Commandments are really good rules to live by regardless of religion
Originally Posted by Jmick
"They get attacked because they have allowed the christain coalition to gain to much control of their party..."
Funny, those same evil Christians wrote the founding documents of this. country
I might be wrong on this, but I am fairly certain I have read that many of the founding fathers were Diests (Franklin, Jefferson and Madison) and possibily more.
 
geridoc

geridoc

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2608899
There's a second part that many forget or outright ignore:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
So "outlawing" a Nativity scene, Manorah or crescent on public property is just as unconstitutional.
No...a nativity scene on your front lawn is completely and 100% constitutional. Your nativity scene in my front yard, or one that I own through my government, is a violation of the constitution.
 
pontius

pontius

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2608977
I might be wrong on this, but I am fairly certain I have read that many of the founding fathers were Diests (Franklin, Jefferson and Madison) and possibily more.
Franklin and Jefferson, yes. Madison, no. Madison was a Christian, like the majority of the founding fathers.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2608992
No...a nativity scene on your front lawn is completely and 100% constitutional. Your nativity scene in my front yard, or one that I own through my government, is a violation of the constitution.
I need a copy of your Constitution. Those that I have read seem to be missing something.
 
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