bionicarm
Active Member
This is an eye opener:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36040614...d_environment/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36040614...d_environment/
Should coral be put on the Endangered Species list?
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reefraff
Active Member
I wish the "scientists" would get off their jihad to "prove" global warming and actually attempt to find out what's really going on. We've seen in our own tanks that slight changes in water temps are not going to kill off or bleach our the corals. Even assuming global warming is the cause how much would the ocean temp as a whole have to increase to cause the type of long term temp change it would take to kill off the corals?
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by IbanEz
http:///forum/post/3251469
It is not just about ocean temp. An increase in co2 levels in the ocean due to pollution have been decreasing the ph and killing corals as well.
I've been saying that very thing for a few years now. They should be looking at the PH of the ocean regarding CO2. I think the biggest issue is run off from the lands near the reefs but CO2, while not the threat the Church of Climate Change would have you think it is does need to be reigned in before we do seriously effect the PH.
http:///forum/post/3251469
It is not just about ocean temp. An increase in co2 levels in the ocean due to pollution have been decreasing the ph and killing corals as well.
I've been saying that very thing for a few years now. They should be looking at the PH of the ocean regarding CO2. I think the biggest issue is run off from the lands near the reefs but CO2, while not the threat the Church of Climate Change would have you think it is does need to be reigned in before we do seriously effect the PH.
aquaknight
Active Member
What get's me is the bone-chilling lack of specifics. Generally assuming when you talk coral reefs, you talk about SPS, well, what SPS? Porties? Staghorns? Are all of them affected?
I think this is sort of a my fear, it's probably some corals are doing worse then others, but a generalized theme is being taken. If there are specific species of coral that are doing extremely poorly, with evidence, I generally don't see a problem. Elkhorn coral is already on the Endangered Species List.
Though another way you could look at it, say we have another really cold winter, or the pH in the Caribbean drops some more, and we lose the last 10%-5% of Elkhorns. Well, if they weren't on the endangered list, people would have them safe in their aquariums.
About regulations on collection, outside of Caribbean corals, most corals come from the Indo-Pacific with little-to-no government. It wouldn't be so much about banning their collection, as it would be putting them on the Endangered list, so sales/distribution in the US is illegal.
I think this is sort of a my fear, it's probably some corals are doing worse then others, but a generalized theme is being taken. If there are specific species of coral that are doing extremely poorly, with evidence, I generally don't see a problem. Elkhorn coral is already on the Endangered Species List.
Though another way you could look at it, say we have another really cold winter, or the pH in the Caribbean drops some more, and we lose the last 10%-5% of Elkhorns. Well, if they weren't on the endangered list, people would have them safe in their aquariums.
About regulations on collection, outside of Caribbean corals, most corals come from the Indo-Pacific with little-to-no government. It wouldn't be so much about banning their collection, as it would be putting them on the Endangered list, so sales/distribution in the US is illegal.
ibanez
Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3251496
Species were evolving and becoming extinct long before the industrial age. It's possible Elk Horn developed and thrived at a time when conditions were a lot different than what would be considered normal now and them dying out is just part of the natural order. Dunno.
Do you realize that when I read one of your posts, It is in the voice of Obama that my brain computes the information.
http:///forum/post/3251496
Species were evolving and becoming extinct long before the industrial age. It's possible Elk Horn developed and thrived at a time when conditions were a lot different than what would be considered normal now and them dying out is just part of the natural order. Dunno.
Do you realize that when I read one of your posts, It is in the voice of Obama that my brain computes the information.
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by IbanEz
http:///forum/post/3251560
Do you realize that when I read one of your posts, It is in the voice of Obama that my brain computes the information.
If you wan't to insult me say something mean about my mother, call my wife ugly or my kid dumb but you don't have to get nasty
http:///forum/post/3251560
Do you realize that when I read one of your posts, It is in the voice of Obama that my brain computes the information.
If you wan't to insult me say something mean about my mother, call my wife ugly or my kid dumb but you don't have to get nasty
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by IbanEz
http:///forum/post/3251560
Do you realize that when I read one of your posts, It is in the voice of Obama that my brain computes the information.
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3251566
If you wan't to insult me say something mean about my mother, call my wife ugly or my kid dumb but you don't have to get nasty
Reef, although your picture is funny, I'm gonna have to agree, in my head you've turned into a crackhead skinny, black guy, wearing an acorn for a hat and sneaking smokes...
http:///forum/post/3251560
Do you realize that when I read one of your posts, It is in the voice of Obama that my brain computes the information.
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3251566
If you wan't to insult me say something mean about my mother, call my wife ugly or my kid dumb but you don't have to get nasty
Reef, although your picture is funny, I'm gonna have to agree, in my head you've turned into a crackhead skinny, black guy, wearing an acorn for a hat and sneaking smokes...